R6: Carlton v Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Blue Vain wrote:

Back in town just in time to see the match.
A reasonable result.

Positives, our kickouts are much improved and Murphy is hitting his straps. Brock continues to offer great value to the team and Jamo is back to career best form.
Its amazing how good he can be when his body holds together.
Also great to see Warnock show some improvement.

Areas to work on, our stoppage work is still average and we're still struggling to contain the opposition on kick outs. West Coast scored 3 of their 7 goals from kick outs. A poor result.

Negatives, the Carlton crowd jeering Hampson when he took a mark. Disgraceful. The bloke may be struggling to hold his marks but he's creating a contest and he's busting his arse. Pathetic to see supporters treat one of their own players in that manner.

Hampson was worse than useless in the first half. It was seriously crap.

Second half however was bloody awesome.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10573

Blue Vain wrote:

Back in town just in time to see the match.
A reasonable result.

Positives, our kickouts are much improved and Murphy is hitting his straps. Brock continues to offer great value to the team and Jamo is back to career best form.
Its amazing how good he can be when his body holds together.
Also great to see Warnock show some improvement.

Areas to work on, our stoppage work is still average and we're still struggling to contain the opposition on kick outs. West Coast scored 3 of their 7 goals from kick outs. A poor result.

Negatives, the Carlton crowd jeering Hampson when he took a mark. Disgraceful. The bloke may be struggling to hold his marks but he's creating a contest and he's busting his arse. Pathetic to see supporters treat one of their own players in that manner.

Our supporters have become very embarrasing indeed BV. :cry:

We eat our own these day's. :mad:

rhys87 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:48 pm **Posts:** 1392

I stood up and gave Warnock a cheer after he took a mark.......not to bag him but to level it up a bit :lol:

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 9:16 am

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Back in town just in time to see the match.
A reasonable result.

Positives, our kickouts are much improved and Murphy is hitting his straps. Brock continues to offer great value to the team and Jamo is back to career best form.
Its amazing how good he can be when his body holds together.
Also great to see Warnock show some improvement.

Areas to work on, our stoppage work is still average and we're still struggling to contain the opposition on kick outs. West Coast scored 3 of their 7 goals from kick outs. A poor result.

Negatives, the Carlton crowd jeering Hampson when he took a mark. Disgraceful. The bloke may be struggling to hold his marks but he's creating a contest and he's busting his arse. Pathetic to see supporters treat one of their own players in that manner.

Our supporters have become very embarrasing indeed BV. :cry:

We eat our own these day's. :mad:

yes surrey , indeed.. some of our supporters are indeed embarassing

club29 · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 9:25 am

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Back in town just in time to see the match.
A reasonable result.

Positives, our kickouts are much improved and Murphy is hitting his straps. Brock continues to offer great value to the team and Jamo is back to career best form.
Its amazing how good he can be when his body holds together.
Also great to see Warnock show some improvement.

Areas to work on, our stoppage work is still average and we're still struggling to contain the opposition on kick outs. West Coast scored 3 of their 7 goals from kick outs. A poor result.

Negatives, the Carlton crowd jeering Hampson when he took a mark. Disgraceful. The bloke may be struggling to hold his marks but he's creating a contest and he's busting his arse. Pathetic to see supporters treat one of their own players in that manner.

Our supporters have become very embarrasing indeed BV. :cry:

We eat our own these day's. :mad:

I mentioned that in another thread. It is disgusting. People were still doing it when he took his 8th mark. Says a lot more about the 'supporter' really.

aerodyte · **Joined:** Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:52 pm **Posts:** 194

club29 wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Back in town just in time to see the match.
A reasonable result.

Positives, our kickouts are much improved and Murphy is hitting his straps. Brock continues to offer great value to the team and Jamo is back to career best form.
Its amazing how good he can be when his body holds together.
Also great to see Warnock show some improvement.

Areas to work on, our stoppage work is still average and we're still struggling to contain the opposition on kick outs. West Coast scored 3 of their 7 goals from kick outs. A poor result.

Negatives, the Carlton crowd jeering Hampson when he took a mark. Disgraceful. The bloke may be struggling to hold his marks but he's creating a contest and he's busting his arse. Pathetic to see supporters treat one of their own players in that manner.

Our supporters have become very embarrasing indeed BV. :cry:

We eat our own these day's. :mad:

I mentioned that in another thread. It is disgusting. People were still doing it when he took his 8th mark. Says a lot more about the 'supporter' really.

I've never been more disgraced to be a Carlton supporter than when our own were giving Henderson bronx cheers a year or so back. Now it's Hampson. Pathetic.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 11:17 am

Probably a few of the "Save Fev" crowd are still around methinks.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 12:10 pm

Just watched the replay on Fox.

A few obs that having nothing to do with the poor opposition.

Hendo is normally good for 2 brain fades a game - in this game he had none which is a great sign. Super composed and uses his body very well in the marking contest.

White's 1st quarter was near on perfect for the role he is playing. A Maxwell clone in the making I suspect.

Walks kicking out from FB was brilliant. His run and carry has him in career best form.

Speaking of career best form Jeffy is sparkling.

Aside from falling over once when he should have kept his feet and missing a goal, I couldn't see a thing Lucas did wrong.

Armfield is now a must have in the 22.

Curnow or Ellard? Don't know both add big tanks and are tough in the contested stuff. Maybe leaning toward Ellard because he does kick goals.

I think toward the end of the year if we slide in a few rotations to rest players these guys great back up along with Cachia and Bell.

The pushout rule in the making/ruck contest makes the entire situation an absolute lottery. Some weeks we will get them our way, some weeks not. The rule is black and white but the interpretation in the actual contest is the most grey area in footy from minute to minute. I pity the Umps with that one.

Regards Cazzesman

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Cazzesman wrote:

Just watched the replay on Fox.

A few obs that having nothing to do with the poor opposition.

Hendo is normally good for 2 brain fades a game - in this game he had none which is a great sign. Super composed and uses his body very well in the marking contest.

White's 1st quarter was near on perfect for the role he is playing. A Maxwell clone in the making I suspect.

Walks kicking out from FB was brilliant. His run and carry has him in career best form.

Speaking of career best form Jeffy is sparkling.

Aside from falling over once when he should have kept his feet and missing a goal, I couldn't see a thing Lucas did wrong.

Armfield is now a must have in the 22.

Curnow or Ellard? Don't know both add big tanks and are tough in the contested stuff. Maybe leaning toward Ellard because he does kick goals.

I think toward the end of the year if we slide in a few rotations to rest players these guys great back up along with Cachia and Bell.

The pushout rule in the making/ruck contest makes the entire situation an absolute lottery. Some weeks we will get them our way, some weeks not. The rule is black and white but the interpretation in the actual contest is the most grey area in footy from minute to minute. I pity the Umps with that one.

Regards Cazzesman

Have to agree.

In regards to Ellard and Curnow. I haven't been a huge wrap for Curnow but he has impressed me this year. My question over him is his decision making and ball use. This is where Ellard has it over him. If he can improve that he will be a very good player.

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 12:31 pm

ThePsychologist wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

Just watched the replay on Fox.

A few obs that having nothing to do with the poor opposition.

Hendo is normally good for 2 brain fades a game - in this game he had none which is a great sign. Super composed and uses his body very well in the marking contest.

White's 1st quarter was near on perfect for the role he is playing. A Maxwell clone in the making I suspect.

Walks kicking out from FB was brilliant. His run and carry has him in career best form.

Speaking of career best form Jeffy is sparkling.

Aside from falling over once when he should have kept his feet and missing a goal, I couldn't see a thing Lucas did wrong.

Armfield is now a must have in the 22.

Curnow or Ellard? Don't know both add big tanks and are tough in the contested stuff. Maybe leaning toward Ellard because he does kick goals.

I think toward the end of the year if we slide in a few rotations to rest players these guys great back up along with Cachia and Bell.

The pushout rule in the making/ruck contest makes the entire situation an absolute lottery. Some weeks we will get them our way, some weeks not. The rule is black and white but the interpretation in the actual contest is the most grey area in footy from minute to minute. I pity the Umps with that one.

Regards Cazzesman

Have to agree.

In regards to Ellard and Curnow. I haven't been a huge wrap for Curnow but he has impressed me this year. My question over him is his decision making and ball use. This is where Ellard has it over him. If he can improve that he will be a very good player.

Ellard doesn't get rid of the ball quick enough by foot and his kicks are often smothered (Joseph has the same problem) - Curnow has more upside IMHO.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10573

Synbad wrote:

yes surrey , indeed.. some of our supporters are indeed embarassing

indeed.

aramari · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 1:41 pm

Has Curnow gotten quicker? Those idiots on 7 thought he was almost an amigo, but I was surprised at how freely he ran forward with the ball on that one play.

Megaman · **Posted:** Tue May 07, 2013 1:53 pm

AGRO wrote:

Ellard doesn't get rid of the ball quick enough by foot and his kicks are often smothered (Joseph has the same problem) - Curnow has more upside IMHO.

I do like Ellard, however, while I only saw a small amount of the game, I did get to see an Ellard kick smothered. It is a bit of a "feature" of his game

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

aramari wrote:

Has Curnow gotten quicker? Those idiots on 7 thought he was almost an amigo, but I was surprised at how freely he ran forward with the ball on that one play.

He's a distance runner right?
Probably added him cause he is quite tanned.

DenimUndies · **Posted:** Wed May 08, 2013 1:11 am

dane wrote:

aramari wrote:

Has Curnow gotten quicker? Those idiots on 7 thought he was almost an amigo, but I was surprised at how freely he ran forward with the ball on that one play.

He's a distance runner right?
Probably added him cause he is quite tanned.

If that's the key to his success, there's a few tanning substances that may help some of the other guys pushing for a spot. Remember reading somewhere about a clearance sale somewhere in the Essendon* area. :wink:

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed May 08, 2013 8:45 am

Cazzesman wrote:

Just watched the replay on Fox.

A few obs that having nothing to do with the poor opposition.

Hendo is normally good for 2 brain fades a game - in this game he had none which is a great sign. Super composed and uses his body very well in the marking contest.

White's 1st quarter was near on perfect for the role he is playing. A Maxwell clone in the making I suspect.

Walks kicking out from FB was brilliant. His run and carry has him in career best form.

Speaking of career best form Jeffy is sparkling.

Aside from falling over once when he should have kept his feet and missing a goal, I couldn't see a thing Lucas did wrong.

Armfield is now a must have in the 22.

Curnow or Ellard? Don't know both add big tanks and are tough in the contested stuff. Maybe leaning toward Ellard because he does kick goals.

I think toward the end of the year if we slide in a few rotations to rest players these guys great back up along with Cachia and Bell.

The pushout rule in the making/ruck contest makes the entire situation an absolute lottery. Some weeks we will get them our way, some weeks not. The rule is black and white but the interpretation in the actual contest is the most grey area in footy from minute to minute. I pity the Umps with that one.

Regards Cazzesman

Curnow is a small defender.....

barass · **Posted:** Wed May 08, 2013 8:37 pm

Cachia looked good in his limited game time... composed and clean with his disposal. And I like the fact he has some size (height and weight) about him which sets him apart from Curnow and Ellard. Really like to see him with more game time against sterner opposition in the next few weeks (not St Kilda, but maybe Pt Adelaide).

Overall we did what we had to do.

Our backline is certainly looking better than it has in the past couple of years, and with Gibbs back in there is beginning to look like the backline of a top 4 team.

DOA · **Joined:** Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 395

Synbad wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Back in town just in time to see the match.
A reasonable result.

Positives, our kickouts are much improved and Murphy is hitting his straps. Brock continues to offer great value to the team and Jamo is back to career best form.
Its amazing how good he can be when his body holds together.
Also great to see Warnock show some improvement.

Areas to work on, our stoppage work is still average and we're still struggling to contain the opposition on kick outs. West Coast scored 3 of their 7 goals from kick outs. A poor result.

Negatives, the Carlton crowd jeering Hampson when he took a mark. Disgraceful. The bloke may be struggling to hold his marks but he's creating a contest and he's busting his arse. Pathetic to see supporters treat one of their own players in that manner.

Our supporters have become very embarrasing indeed BV. :cry:

We eat our own these day's. :mad:

yes surrey , indeed.. some of our supporters are indeed embarassing

I was in invited to a pre match luncheon by the "coterie group",the Carltonians.Also invited were the Henderson parents.We were introduced as the parents of Lachie and Andy by the MC,and asked to speak as parents ,and relate how it felt to have a son playing for "this great club".We where presented with reserved seats amongst this"coterie group".
What transpired was the most embarrassing ,drunken tirade directed towards Lachie yet witnessed.
His parents(After speaking at the dinner),were horrified.
My reaction as a Dad was predictable,to the point whereas my wife pleaded with me to remove myself from the area,due to my volatile nature.
The outburst on Lachie was just after the fev trade.
Rarely do I share these experiences as a player parent,this one needs to be shared.
How valuable is Lachie now?
The Carltonians and any supporters with a false sense of entitlement need to support the player as if that person is your own flesh and blood, because that is essentially what they are.

camel · **Posted:** Thu May 09, 2013 5:34 pm

Thanks for the insight DOA. It must be hard being an AFL parent at times.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

camelboy wrote:

Thanks for the insight DOA. It must be hard being an AFL parent at times.

I can't imagine what it'd be like to have to listen to complete strangers hurling abuse at your child who has busted their arse for years to achieve their dream of playing AFL. Just reinforces something I learned years ago, people suck.

R6: Carlton v Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

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