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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:54 pm 
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It looks a handy team on paper, question marks over the forward line though.

Fair bit of ball-winning ability through midfield, that's actually quite good. Not sure on the choice of defenders... no McGuane in your squad?

My line-up would be:

B: Newman, McGuane, Batchelor
HB: Conca, Astbury, Edwards
C: Deledio, Martin, Connors
HF: Houli, Reiwoldt, Cotchin
F: Nahas, Vickery, Morton

RCK: Graham, Grigg, Foley

INT: Jackson, Tuck, Rance

SUB: Dea

Batchelor seems a bit raw for mine but he competes in the air, has a sense of dash, dare and awareness that will see him help bring the ball out quickly for them along with Edwards & Conca, while also having the defensive nous to lock down a player for them. His knock is his kicking, but it's not horrible by any stretch. Moore would be the bloke I'd look at in his stead, but they've barely given him a look in this pre-season.

McGuane instead of Thursfield for mine, and Newman will be in the more defensive role when compared to Edwards. Dea's got athleticism and versatility for the sub role, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Nason or Farmer in the mix either.

Thought it might be worth mentioning that Richmond have given free access to video of all their pre-season games online. CFCTV where are you?? :(

Midfield for them is strong, but defence is a tad undersized and attack-minded, while their forward line is similar lacking physical strength, but also versatility as I don't see Houli doing damage in midfield without being fed plenty of the football, and aside from Cotchin the rest will largely sit in the 50.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:24 pm 
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I saw the game replays on the RFC website, great move by the Tigers giving supporters some value in the pre-season.

Campbell mentioned McGuane also, bit of a toss up it seems, he could even get the gig ahead of Rance or Bachelor. Problem is Warnock, Waite, Hampson, Henderson are big bodied and the Tigers have nobody to cover them if we move the ball into the F50 quickly.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:29 pm 
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Assuming Jamison, Ellard, McLean, Houlihan, Carrazzo and Kreuzer won't play and that Henderson will. If possible, I'd promote Ed Curnow as he'd be in my 22 for round 1 v the Tiges. I have a feeling Andy Carrazzo will be right to play though.

B: Russell, Watson, White
Hb: Laidler, Bower, Duigan
C: Scotland, Curnow, Gibbs
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Simpson
F: Betts, Waite, Garlett
Foll: Warnock, Judd
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Hampson, Robinson, Yarran
Sub: Collins
Emerg: Armfield, Lucas, Thornton

So you've stripped the defence of most of its experience, loaded up with essentially 4 tall defenders, and left out Lucas & Armfield. On what basis?


Jamison out suspended, Thornton better forward IMO if he plays, Waite & Henderson forward. Setanta would be the other to choose from and realistic option. This so called loading up of 4 talls is way off the mark so not sure what ur issue is ther mate - Watson (195cm) and Bower (192cm) in the key posts. Then there's White (190cm), Laidler (189cm), Russell (188cm), Duigan (186cm). White, Laidler, Russell and Duigan are flankers down back with Yarran the other to go back and play a little smaller.

Bower and Russell provide plenty of experience with White, Laidler and Duigan mature types that are great choices IMO. Watson the inexperince football wise but plays with maturity and sureness. I'll back that 6 in thanks.

Re Army and Lucas - like them but couldnt find room for them. Are they lock-ins? Nope they're not IMO. Neither provide the inside midfielder role that we require and down on the back flanks/wings there are others ahead of them for mine. Done. Cheers.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:04 pm 
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Browne15 wrote:
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Assuming Jamison, Ellard, McLean, Houlihan, Carrazzo and Kreuzer won't play and that Henderson will. If possible, I'd promote Ed Curnow as he'd be in my 22 for round 1 v the Tiges. I have a feeling Andy Carrazzo will be right to play though.

B: Russell, Watson, White
Hb: Laidler, Bower, Duigan
C: Scotland, Curnow, Gibbs
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Simpson
F: Betts, Waite, Garlett
Foll: Warnock, Judd
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Hampson, Robinson, Yarran
Sub: Collins
Emerg: Armfield, Lucas, Thornton

So you've stripped the defence of most of its experience, loaded up with essentially 4 tall defenders, and left out Lucas & Armfield. On what basis?


Jamison out suspended, Thornton better forward IMO if he plays, Waite & Henderson forward. Setanta would be the other to choose from and realistic option. This so called loading up of 4 talls is way off the mark so not sure what ur issue is ther mate - Watson (195cm) and Bower (192cm) in the key posts. Then there's White (190cm), Laidler (189cm), Russell (188cm), Duigan (186cm). White, Laidler, Russell and Duigan are flankers down back with Yarran the other to go back and play a little smaller.

Bower and Russell provide plenty of experience with White, Laidler and Duigan mature types that are great choices IMO. Watson the inexperince football wise but plays with maturity and sureness. I'll back that 6 in thanks.

Re Army and Lucas - like them but couldnt find room for them. Are they lock-ins? Nope they're not IMO. Neither provide the inside midfielder role that we require and down on the back flanks/wings there are others ahead of them for mine. Done. Cheers.


You make some good points Browne15 and it just goes to show how difficult it is now with a bit of depth. There will be valid arguments each week for promotions and omissions no doubt. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:27 pm 
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Jamison out suspended, Thornton better forward IMO if he plays, Waite & Henderson forward. Setanta would be the other to choose from and realistic option.

Agree with this.

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This so called loading up of 4 talls is way off the mark so not sure what ur issue is ther mate - Watson (195cm) and Bower (192cm) in the key posts. Then there's White (190cm), Laidler (189cm), Russell (188cm), Duigan (186cm). White, Laidler, Russell and Duigan are flankers down back with Yarran the other to go back and play a little smaller.

Duigan won't be able to take smalls, and neither will Russell for the most part. White generally plays tall, and on the odd (i.e. slower) medium forward, and Laidler is more like 191-192 cms and a third tall. A quick forward line would shred that line-up, and the Tiges would definitely target that if we lined up as such. Yarran needs support in the small defender stakes.

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Bower and Russell provide plenty of experience with White, Laidler and Duigan mature types that are great choices IMO. Watson the inexperince football wise but plays with maturity and sureness. I'll back that 6 in thanks.

While White, Laidler & Duigan are definitely competent footballers from a leadership perspective and in terms of their read of the play, they haven't clocked up enough hours to be running our defence with Bower. I have faith in them in the 1-on-1s but when it comes down to zone play and team play, that's a bit of an ask. Armfield would help smooth that over IMO.

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Re Army and Lucas - like them but couldnt find room for them. Are they lock-ins? Nope they're not IMO. Neither provide the inside midfielder role that we require and down on the back flanks/wings there are others ahead of them for mine. Done. Cheers.

Armfield is our best small midfielder and in that line-up, our best tagger too. He is a lock, especially on pre-season form. Lucas is less so, but I think he'd be able to contribute better on pacy mediums/smalls than any of White, Laidler & Duigan, with White being the weakest link at this stage.

Robinson on the bench is one inside bloke too many, hurts our leg speed and possibly our rotations given his still wonky fitness base. From your line-up, I'd drop White for Armfield, and Robinson for Lucas. I'd then consider starting Thornton in defence in place of Watson (although I suspect Henderson won't come up for round 1, so he'll get a go up forward).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:57 pm 
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Anyone know what's happening with this?

CFC.com.au: Pick your 22 for Round One

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Keep a look out for this fun competition for all supporters. Remember the season is now just over two weeks away.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:11 pm 
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I'm thinking something like this right now but probably will change again.

Armfield Thornton Laidler
Russell Bower Yarran
Gibbs McLean Simpson
Gartlett Waite Walker
Robinson Henderson Betts
Warnock Judd Murphy
Scotland Carrazzo Lucas
Sub: Hampson

Very hard to pick with players such as Duigan, Watson, Joseph amongst others missing out.
Time to see how much T-Bird wants it. :idea:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:40 pm 
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Browne15 wrote:
Jamison out suspended, Thornton better forward IMO if he plays, Waite & Henderson forward. Setanta would be the other to choose from and realistic option.

Agree with this.

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This so called loading up of 4 talls is way off the mark so not sure what ur issue is ther mate - Watson (195cm) and Bower (192cm) in the key posts. Then there's White (190cm), Laidler (189cm), Russell (188cm), Duigan (186cm). White, Laidler, Russell and Duigan are flankers down back with Yarran the other to go back and play a little smaller.

Duigan won't be able to take smalls, and neither will Russell for the most part. White generally plays tall, and on the odd (i.e. slower) medium forward, and Laidler is more like 191-192 cms and a third tall. A quick forward line would shred that line-up, and the Tiges would definitely target that if we lined up as such. Yarran needs support in the small defender stakes.

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Bower and Russell provide plenty of experience with White, Laidler and Duigan mature types that are great choices IMO. Watson the inexperince football wise but plays with maturity and sureness. I'll back that 6 in thanks.

While White, Laidler & Duigan are definitely competent footballers from a leadership perspective and in terms of their read of the play, they haven't clocked up enough hours to be running our defence with Bower. I have faith in them in the 1-on-1s but when it comes down to zone play and team play, that's a bit of an ask. Armfield would help smooth that over IMO.

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Re Army and Lucas - like them but couldnt find room for them. Are they lock-ins? Nope they're not IMO. Neither provide the inside midfielder role that we require and down on the back flanks/wings there are others ahead of them for mine. Done. Cheers.

Armfield is our best small midfielder and in that line-up, our best tagger too. He is a lock, especially on pre-season form. Lucas is less so, but I think he'd be able to contribute better on pacy mediums/smalls than any of White, Laidler & Duigan, with White being the weakest link at this stage.

Robinson on the bench is one inside bloke too many, hurts our leg speed and possibly our rotations given his still wonky fitness base. From your line-up, I'd drop White for Armfield, and Robinson for Lucas. I'd then consider starting Thornton in defence in place of Watson (although I suspect Henderson won't come up for round 1, so he'll get a go up forward).


Totally agree with jimmae

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:34 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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Jamison out suspended, Thornton better forward IMO if he plays, Waite & Henderson forward. Setanta would be the other to choose from and realistic option.

Agree with this.

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This so called loading up of 4 talls is way off the mark so not sure what ur issue is ther mate - Watson (195cm) and Bower (192cm) in the key posts. Then there's White (190cm), Laidler (189cm), Russell (188cm), Duigan (186cm). White, Laidler, Russell and Duigan are flankers down back with Yarran the other to go back and play a little smaller.

Duigan won't be able to take smalls, and neither will Russell for the most part. White generally plays tall, and on the odd (i.e. slower) medium forward, and Laidler is more like 191-192 cms and a third tall. A quick forward line would shred that line-up, and the Tiges would definitely target that if we lined up as such. Yarran needs support in the small defender stakes.

I actually think JR can take the smalls, even Duigan but I reckon we'll be a better outfit with Laidler and Duigan across half-back more often than not and I like JR deeper in defence. I dont wanna be too small because the Tiges will play Riewoldt, Vickery (200cm or something) and another tall such as Miller. Thye'll try to stretch us if we go too small. Armfield deep is not a good idea IMO and I prefer him if he plays to be more wing/midfield.

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Bower and Russell provide plenty of experience with White, Laidler and Duigan mature types that are great choices IMO. Watson the inexperince football wise but plays with maturity and sureness. I'll back that 6 in thanks.

While White, Laidler & Duigan are definitely competent footballers from a leadership perspective and in terms of their read of the play, they haven't clocked up enough hours to be running our defence with Bower. I have faith in them in the 1-on-1s but when it comes down to zone play and team play, that's a bit of an ask. Armfield would help smooth that over IMO.

yep still dont mind the back six I have with Yarran included for maturity, experience, skills and versatility. Understand what u r saying but feel its ok.

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Re Army and Lucas - like them but couldnt find room for them. Are they lock-ins? Nope they're not IMO. Neither provide the inside midfielder role that we require and down on the back flanks/wings there are others ahead of them for mine. Done. Cheers.

Armfield is our best small midfielder and in that line-up, our best tagger too. He is a lock, especially on pre-season form. Lucas is less so, but I think he'd be able to contribute better on pacy mediums/smalls than any of White, Laidler & Duigan, with White being the weakest link at this stage.

Robinson on the bench is one inside bloke too many, hurts our leg speed and possibly our rotations given his still wonky fitness base. From your line-up, I'd drop White for Armfield, and Robinson for Lucas. I'd then consider starting Thornton in defence in place of Watson (although I suspect Henderson won't come up for round 1, so he'll get a go up forward).


Need Robbo if Carrazzo, McLean and ofcourse Ellard cant play. Him out is one inside mid too few abnd is a must. Cant leave it all to Judd.

We'll have to agree to diagree on many of these things.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:23 pm 
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Fair enough. Sorry I meant Armfield is our best small defender not midfielder. If Carrazzo is fit I'd consider him ahead of Collins.

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jimmae wrote:
Fair enough. Sorry I meant Armfield is our best small defender not midfielder. If Carrazzo is fit I'd consider him ahead of Collins.


Not so much a defender anymore by his own admission on cfctv. Expect him to play wing and even some time up forward.

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Fair enough. Sorry I meant Armfield is our best small defender not midfielder. If Carrazzo is fit I'd consider him ahead of Collins.


Not so much a defender anymore by his own admission on cfctv. Expect him to play wing and even some time up forward.

I saw that but in the same game he was playing off the HBF, and generally sat back in midfield. Certainly has been pushing up a bit more and finishing well on the run, but he'll be in defensive roles.

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Fair enough. Sorry I meant Armfield is our best small defender not midfielder. If Carrazzo is fit I'd consider him ahead of Collins.


Not so much a defender anymore by his own admission on cfctv. Expect him to play wing and even some time up forward.


He is a wing man type imo, but he also is great defensively. His rugby background helped on that side, but I think its more that he has a good temperament for AFL that makes him a standout.

Tough, fast and fair.

He may become a legend in the next 5 years.

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Armfield played predominantly HFF against the Crows

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Armfield played predominantly HFF against the Crows

I thought that was Ellard?

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armfield in his CCTV interview post Crows game, highlighted how he is being primed to play more wing and HF. Seemed to be enthused about the opportunity


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armfield in his CCTV interview post Crows game, highlighted how he is being primed to play more wing and HF. Seemed to be enthused about the opportunity


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The Herald Sun have got one of those cool magnetic board thingies:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... ew/carlton

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armfield in his CCTV interview post Crows game, highlighted how he is being primed to play more wing and HF. Seemed to be enthused about the opportunity


seem to remember making a thread about the possibility of Army going to the wing.. no one agreed though.

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The Herald Sun have got one of those cool magnetic board thingies:

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Umm...

Here's a team board I've been updating for some time.

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