Sparky,

You were not "on the fence" -

You were s...-canning JR.

Don't try to change the facts.

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kkk,

...umm, sorry - do i know you?!


guess you didn't read my earlier post then.

stating that i didn't see any recent performances, was only stating my preference between the two players - and how
i should have known it would turn into that sort of thread, but didn't and was bored and on holidays.

in case you missed it... read the opening thread post first - then:

(this is Page 3 considering you missed it the first time, i'll make it easier for you...)



I'm not a shitcanner, I'm a realist... JR has a ways to go yet before proving himself.

We've seen players like Bower, Grigg and Hammer take their chance by the scruff of the neck and, hell admit it - get to the point where we are bemoaning their being injured and unable to play.

For me at least, and certainly others I'm sure - where others have taken their chance, it seems that many times JR has lost his footing and toppled over.

It's great to see his strung a few decent games in a row together, and I DO hope he goes on with it but remember...




...it's exactly 4 years Round 15 since his first AFL game.



NOBODY can bemoan supporters not wanting to see some signs now, even giving the boy the concession of a few years experience under the belt.




I hope it's not, but sometimes it feels like the old Livingston/Prendergast thing all over again.

The same buffoons who jump up and cheer in the face of people who doubt JR when he puts in a decent game or two - many of them I remember from TC/TBV championing Livo and Prenda - 'give him one more year'...

Thankfully JR still has some time on his hands.

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Sparky, I agree JR has a way to go, but he's definitely improving at a faster rate than he has before. That to me is a good sign.

The quote I left up was more having a go at the people who shitcan players, especially JR, for no good reason. I wasn't having a go at you, apologies if you think I was.

To me, JR will never be a star, but while he's improving, he's at least having a go, and especially lately, giving his all. That's all we can ask of each player, IMO.

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He ran over 25 kms in the last round at a top speed of 31 kph.
That is 3 kph faster than Garlett's high.
He got to the contest, he made a contest and then made an option and another one....
I have no doubt it is coming together for JR.
After the last 2 rounds his form is ahead of many in the 22 atm.

Lets hope he really struts his stuff this week with his running game, because against the Swans we are going to need hard bodies and great runners to break them down and get our long awaited win over them...and help our finals chances.

He's da man this week. Ball in his court.

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Yep there were some great signs.

It's all well and good to perform well against 14th and 16th but let's see in the next month when it REALLY counts how he performs.

But it was very pleasing that the MC finally drop him and he has come back a more confident and determined player.

Well done JR keep up the good work.

If these figures are corrcet - JR's in the wrong business. 25Ks in around 100 minutes of footy at 31kph.

I didn't realise he was Ethiopian .

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there was a stat shown on the foxtel broadcast of the game (just watched the recording on the iq box) and at 3qtr time russell and carrazzo were in the top 3 for distance covered. Jordy had run 11.3km with a top speed of 31km/p/hr to that point in the game. Garlett, polo, mcguane were the others on the list. But it showed just how hard the kid runs and is never given credit for. Of the names on that list he had the highest top speed by over 2.5km/p/hr so not only does he run, he gut runs better than garlett, carrots etc. He's in good form and im so happy for him. He's been maligned for a while, and were beginning to see him establish himself.

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Sparky,

You opened the thread and named it -

"I don't care what you say about Russell".

The first line of your original post was -

".... he's still very ordinary."

Not only is that s...-canning the player, it asserts anyone with a differing opinion are not as football-wise as your good self.

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Although I didn't, what you proport is that if I in fact added 'I think' between the dots, it would be an opinion, and not a scathing attack on other lesser intelligent posters?!

Come on.

As I've already mentioned, I was (/am) on holidays, and wanted to chuck up a post and see what happened. Truth be told I've posted many more topics with more substance and thought put into them. It seems if you want a reply, you may as well stir the pot to an extent.

What's funny is that IMO for every shit-canner in TC land, there are an equal amount of fanatical zealots in the JR camp whom are almost deluded in their praise for him.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a servicable player and he does his job for the team. I've said this many times before... often in defense of him when someone has goten stuck into him. Search 'JR' in my posts if you care to / don't believe me.


We can argue this until Serge Silvagni chucks on the navy blue again - but the bottom line is rightly or wrongly, I posted something to see how it ran. I stick by the original post though, in terms of preferring OhAilpin, but I've been a big fan from the start...

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I think it goes with the territory in footy arguments - if you're in the middle and you hear someone take either a positive or negative view, you are compelled to argue strongly the other way. It's called footy fanaticism and I love it!

I've never argued so hard for Wiggins in my life as I have this year for the very same reason.

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I call them pessimists and optimists. . . Often both sides are deluded in their views. God knows i defend fevola when he's at his worst, but i do so because when he's at his best everyone will jump onboad the bandwagon and suddenly the 'trade fev' threads on TC go quiet. And alternately, when he's at his worst even his biggest admirers think quietly 'shit what those guys said about him has some validity' but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact he wears OUR jumper that i will/we should always support and love him.

And in the case of russell, houlihan, ohailpin, bentley, whoever else it is who is discussed. I think that to criticise them is one thing, but to shit-can for the sake of shit-canning (which SOME people on here do) is pointless, and is un-carlton like.

IMO jordy russell will be at carlton, probably in our best 22 come the time we're a legit premiership contender. when judging a player i always ask myself 'will they be in our next premiership?' and if not, then they're expendable. If so, then they're worth pursuing and supporting. Jordy is still in his development, and the level he's at is more than satisfactory in relation to where we're at as a club. Could he have developed earlier? Yes. Is he there yet? No. Will he be there soon? Hopefully.

Jordy is a kid who runs hard, and as reported earlier, knows his flaws and works his ass off to rectify them. Thats ALOT more than can be said for so many players in the league. For that, if only that alone, should be reason enough for people to lay off the attacks.

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I am sure he will be a big part of it.

The predominant theme in the media when commenting the strengths and improvement of the current premiership contenders is that [insert team here] have a group of players prepared to work hard for each other.

Cannot think of anyone who works harder for our team than this kid (Juddy excepted). That sort of commitment can be contagious if supported. Guys like Jordan can be the fabric of successful teams.

I am already dreading the reaction to the next ordinary game from Jordan as it seems we've established he has to be named in the best to be worthy of a spot. Just support the kid.

QFT

I like that when he marks, he looks across into the corridor for a running player to give off to by hand.

Too many of our guys mark and then look backwards for someone to kick to.

Sparky,

I happen to be a big Setanta fan too.

Truce, OK?

Go Blues,
kkk

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Sounds good kkk.

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awwwwwwww stevens

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