Nice problem to have deciding between the 2 to 3 goal a game CHF and the mobile ruckman/midfielder kicking 1 goal a game!

Doubt there would be anyone on our list apart from maybe Fevola who has had two bags of three goals within their first 20 games of footy.

Why?

I'm assuming we're both of the view that he was a great ruckman as well. But when he played forward, IMO he should be classed as a CHF rather than a FP because that's where he played. He played up at the 50m arc in front of goals with Tredrea inside 50. No way you'd class him as primarily a FP. The fact that he switched between roles as a forward and a ruckman demonstrates what I was saying about how difficult it is for guys who are big enough and good enough to play in the ruck to specialise in the forward line. Only when Port was able to play Primus and Brogan in the same team was he able to stay forward.

Why do you say he was a FP when he played forward?

I also am against Kreuzer being our long-term CHF. True he could play forward but that would be in bursts.

The reason(s) for this is - and I also said this when he was drafted - the attributes of Kreuzer are great endurance, good skills and sheer desperation and willingness to chase and tackle, but these attributes are all relative.

That is, they are outstanding for a ruckman. He is good below his knees, can run all day from one end to another - that's his main strength but its best suited if he plays in the ruck because he will tire out his opponents like that and no one would be able to keep up with him because most ruckmen can't run endlessly like Kreuze and don't have his skill set.

If you were to however put him at CHF, his skills are not elite and you are taking away from his ability to run all over the ground mopping up balls and providing that extra running option - basically his major strength. If you compare Kreuzer to the elite CHF's/FF of the competition, he isn't anywhere near as clean below his knees or as good a kick. Compare him to someone like a Roughead, Hall Brown, Bradshaw etc, they all have much better skills than him.

This, of course isn't a knock on Kreuzer, but I am basically saying his skills and running ability are elite but that's for a ruckman, not CHF. So why would you be taking his strengths away from him (i.e. the ability to run other ruckmen ragged and provide free option because others can't stay with him) by sticking him as a CHF where his skills, although good, are not elite??

For a simpler explanation/illustration, think Dean Cox and his running ability. Leigh Matthews said that the Brisbane ruckmen couldn't keep up with him because of his enormous running capacity - that's also Kreuzer's strengths, why would you stick Cox at CHF when he can just run, run, run all over the ground and provide a basically 'free' option?