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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:01 pm 
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keogh wrote:
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West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)


Can someone explain how a guy has 272 more metres gained than any other player on the ground and doesn’t get in the votes

Maybe he wasn't damaging enough.
But yes, this is a bit odd.
843m is quite impressive.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:37 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
Effes wrote:
West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)


Can someone explain how a guy has 272 more metres gained than any other player on the ground and doesn’t get in the votes

Maybe he wasn't damaging enough.
But yes, this is a bit odd.
843m is quite impressive.


The WC kid playing his first game also was worth a vote . This time last year he was playing for Highett in 3rd division southern league . Incredible effort I thought .

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:57 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

AS we have learned at the end of the 2022 2023 & 2024 season, percentage is critical.
If we are playing for Finals, we missed that.

Vossy did say he wanted to keep up intensity, and Charlie said they couldnt play that way for 4 quarters...how about slowing it down for a quarter, the third to get our breath back after a rest in the sheds and turn it on in the last, for percentage?


That was my thought too. Why not turn it on for a burst in the last and just bury the game and rack up some %? Conditions were shitty but the Eagles were the team to do it against.


I thought Cripps started the last quarter on fire and seemed pissed off, but then the rest of the team weren't following him and he stopped

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:02 pm 
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I rewatched the game and we definitely put the queue in the rack in the last.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:39 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)


Well done Binns :clap: Played his best game for the club.

So glad Cincotta got recognition. :thumbsup:

I can live with McQalter giving his boys 1 and 2 votes.

Who gave him the votes?
One gave 3, the other 0 and Gov the 3


Some posters think the coaches are the be all to end all. I find that strange given coaches don’t agree with each other.

Pumping up the tyres of their own. Too much bias from coaches. Rarely do people agree with coaches votes,

,That’s why I prefer to read the votes from outside than the coaches. Coaches look at roles performed whereas punters vote on total performance

Reid wasn’t worth a vote….imo.
I’m glad Binns got votes, but I had 5 or 6 players ahead of him.

Sometimes I feel coaches don’t take voting that serious. I don’t know why anyone would take them as gospel.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:39 pm 
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How about a few TCers giving us their best 5 Carlton players in MVP thread. I value your opinion and it’s our award.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:08 am 
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How about a few TCers giving us their best 5 Carlton players in MVP thread. I value your opinion and it’s our award.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:32 am 
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How about a few TCers giving us their best 5 Carlton players in MVP thread. I value your opinion and it’s our award.

Can't comment, locked out.



Locked out of what?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:34 am 
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I rewatched the game and we definitely put the queue in the rack in the last.


Absolutely. They were killing time trying to hold possession in 3rd and especially 4th.

We were justified to think it was a wasted opportunity, and rubbish footy.

I get the 6 day turn around, but we pay to back our team to do their best to get into the Finals, and be entertained.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:40 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
How about a few TCers giving us their best 5 Carlton players in MVP thread. I value your opinion and it’s our award.

Can't comment, locked out.



Locked out of what?

Locked out of MVP commenting.
I'm only assuming it was after a bad loss last season and I asked if we could have the opposition team names instead. :lol:
Clearly not that funny.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:12 pm 
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We know that game was horrible to watch after 1/4 time but here are our kicking stats.

Players who kicked 50% or less:
Durdin 50% 4 from 4 kicks.
Cripps 50% from 8 kicks.
JSOS 46.2% from 13 kicks.
TDK 41.7% from 12 kicks.
Fantasia 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Acres 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Curnow 33.3% from 3 kicks.
Williams 28.6% from 7 kicks.
HOK 0% from 4 kicks.

When nearly half the side can't hit a target more than 1 in 2 kicks against a team that was done in the 1st quarter, we have to have a solid look at our list at the end of the year.
Especially when 4 of those players are forwards.
No wonder Voss is frustrated.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:18 pm 
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Just watched the replay. First time seeing the game, and based on the comments, I thought it was all doom and gloom after 1/4 time.

I didn't find that at all. 6 or so fundamental mistakes going inside 50 after 1/2 time cost shots on goal. A few wrong options cost a goal of 2. After half time the run was misplaced but the defense remained pretty solid. Haynes was a rock. Carroll solid.

Cincotta good on Baker and with his assists. Binns gut running to help out in defense. Hollands running a 1/2 marathon. Fog getting some reward. Cera and Hewitt working well together. Crippa is abit down but he has carried us for 3 years.

Back 7 still working well together.

I didn't think it was terrible. WA stepped up in the 3rd and we relaxed. In the last it was just tempo footy that gave WA a few looks that shouldn't have happened.

This week's forward line will be very interesting. Maybe Young or Lemmy there, to compete and bring it to ground for the smalls.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:30 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
How about a few TCers giving us their best 5 Carlton players in MVP thread. I value your opinion and it’s our award.

Can't comment, locked out.



Locked out of what?

Locked out of MVP commenting.
I'm only assuming it was after a bad loss last season and I asked if we could have the opposition team names instead. :lol:
Clearly not that funny.


There's no text area or Submit button on MVP threads, but there is a POST REPLY button that takes you to the full editor. Do you not have it?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:32 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
How about a few TCers giving us their best 5 Carlton players in MVP thread. I value your opinion and it’s our award.

Can't comment, locked out.



Locked out of what?

Locked out of MVP commenting.
I'm only assuming it was after a bad loss last season and I asked if we could have the opposition team names instead. :lol:
Clearly not that funny.


There's no text area or Submit button on MVP threads, but there is a POST REPLY button that takes you to the full editor. Do you not have it?


Side, if you are using Tapatalk, the poll poplists don’t show up. You have to use a web browser to vote.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:38 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
We know that game was horrible to watch after 1/4 time but here are our kicking stats.

Players who kicked 50% or less:
Durdin 50% 4 from 4 kicks.
Cripps 50% from 8 kicks.
JSOS 46.2% from 13 kicks.
TDK 41.7% from 12 kicks.
Fantasia 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Acres 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Curnow 33.3% from 3 kicks.
Williams 28.6% from 7 kicks.
HOK 0% from 4 kicks.

When nearly half the side can't hit a target more than 1 in 2 kicks against a team that was done in the 1st quarter, we have to have a solid look at our list at the end of the year.
Especially when 4 of those players are forwards.
No wonder Voss is frustrated.


That has to be fixed.
Screams liability to me.
Wouldnt get a game in the 80's if those were the numbers for their opposite foot.

If you cant change the people, change the people.

I thought Williams was a good kick. Played all first qtr but only 54% Game time

A bit rough on HOK. One of those was a long shot at goal

SOS is a better field kickl than that.

Last week his clanger off the siide of his right foot OOF, was the start of the rot against Effendopes

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:54 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
There's no text area or Submit button on MVP threads, but there is a POST REPLY button that takes you to the full editor. Do you not have it?


Side, if you are using Tapatalk, the poll poplists don’t show up. You have to use a web browser to vote.

Ahhh....yeah got it now.
I never use the post reply button.
I only use web but the text area box was gone so I assumed I'd been locked out.
Getting old, CRAFTs has set in. :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
We know that game was horrible to watch after 1/4 time but here are our kicking stats.

Players who kicked 50% or less:
Durdin 50% 4 from 4 kicks.
Cripps 50% from 8 kicks.
JSOS 46.2% from 13 kicks.
TDK 41.7% from 12 kicks.
Fantasia 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Acres 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Curnow 33.3% from 3 kicks.
Williams 28.6% from 7 kicks.
HOK 0% from 4 kicks.

When nearly half the side can't hit a target more than 1 in 2 kicks against a team that was done in the 1st quarter, we have to have a solid look at our list at the end of the year.
Especially when 4 of those players are forwards.
No wonder Voss is frustrated.


That has to be fixed.
Screams liability to me.
Wouldnt get a game in the 80's if those were the numbers for their opposite foot.

If you cant change the people, change the people.

I thought Williams was a good kick. Played all first qtr but only 54% Game time

A bit rough on HOK. One of those was a long shot at goal

SOS is a better field kickl than that.

Last week his clanger off the siide of his right foot OOF, was the start of the rot against Effendopes

It's a real problem.
I know the conditions were not perfect, but any of the top 8 teams would've smashed us with that kind of efficiency.
It'd be great to get kicking efficiency stats quarter by quarter, this way we could see what happens during the game.
I'm sure the club has access to these stats from champion data and is the reason we change tempo.

If the stats do say our skills drop off after half time, I wonder if it's best to start off with the kick to kick style and slowly build it to the ballistic running with handballs.
Or maybe we have tried that and been punished too much already.
I know last weeks goal was to blitz the Eagles from the get go so they didn't get a sniff early.

Another alarming stat was that we had 50+ handballs in the first quarter and then only 157 for the game.
We clearly can not sustain that type of football all game and I doubt many teams can.
So in order to rest we need to be able to tempo change and hit targets by foot, but clearly with these stats we can't.

This still all points to players over coaching for me.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:10 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
We know that game was horrible to watch after 1/4 time but here are our kicking stats.

Players who kicked 50% or less:
Durdin 50% 4 from 4 kicks.
Cripps 50% from 8 kicks.
JSOS 46.2% from 13 kicks.
TDK 41.7% from 12 kicks.
Fantasia 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Acres 36.4% from 11 kicks.
Curnow 33.3% from 3 kicks.
Williams 28.6% from 7 kicks.
HOK 0% from 4 kicks.

When nearly half the side can't hit a target more than 1 in 2 kicks against a team that was done in the 1st quarter, we have to have a solid look at our list at the end of the year.
Especially when 4 of those players are forwards.
No wonder Voss is frustrated.


That has to be fixed.
Screams liability to me.
Wouldnt get a game in the 80's if those were the numbers for their opposite foot.

If you cant change the people, change the people.

I thought Williams was a good kick. Played all first qtr but only 54% Game time

A bit rough on HOK. One of those was a long shot at goal

SOS is a better field kickl than that.

Last week his clanger off the siide of his right foot OOF, was the start of the rot against Effendopes

It's a real problem.
I know the conditions were not perfect, but any of the top 8 teams would've smashed us with that kind of efficiency.
It'd be great to get kicking efficiency stats quarter by quarter, this way we could see what happens during the game.
I'm sure the club has access to these stats from champion data and is the reason we change tempo.

If the stats do say our skills drop off after half time, I wonder if it's best to start off with the kick to kick style and slowly build it to the ballistic running with handballs.
Or maybe we have tried that and been punished too much already.
I know last weeks goal was to blitz the Eagles from the get go so they didn't get a sniff early.

Another alarming stat was that we had 50+ handballs in the first quarter and then only 157 for the game.
We clearly can not sustain that type of football all game and I doubt many teams can.
So in order to rest we need to be able to tempo change and hit targets by foot, but clearly with these stats we can't.

This still all points to players over coaching for me.


How so? Bad skills are bad skills. Easy passes not making the distance, going over the head, skewed off the side of the boot, handballs not hitting target, to the feet....nah...that's players lacking skills. The good players dont do it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:15 pm 
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Dewar get rising star nom
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He is the sort of player we need


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I think that's what siders was saying, bonders :thumbsup:


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