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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:35 pm 
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Cant argue with that, Hoops was one of the best kicks in the business, I think Fev mentioned that himself. But all too often Hoops was down back as our defense had more holes than swiss cheese. And when he was moved forward, he was tagged out of the game once the oppo caught onto the play.

Fev wasn't perfect, but he was a dead set awesome forward. The real deal. Outside of 50 I'd put my money on him every time. Plus too he was hard, and Setanta should have bloody known better. I've seen Locket clean up his own team mates for such stupidity, and Gary Ablett would freight train through anyone who got in his way, team mate or not. Sentanta was an import player who knew sfa about the game. Him getting in the way of a forward lead is either real brave or real stupid. I say a bit of both.

Felova playing in those 80's teams? Oh My Lord! I get goose bumps just thinking about it. I dare say we'd already have premierships 17 & 18 if that was the case. Yes, that is correct, I think Fevola would have been worth two premierships off his own boot. He was that good. Surrounded by a team of dead set champions like our 79, 81 & 82 teams, I have no doubts about it. And back in those days Fevola would have fitted in like a hand in a silk glove.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:42 pm 
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..locket and Gary senior, top forwards.. ..gee they must have a stash of flags between them.. ..oh, that's right.. ..zip.. ..real top team forwards don't crash through their team mate, they see him dropping back into space with the flight, and they protect their team mate.. ..they don't pole axe him, risk a kidney, and then fob him off as he's writhing in pain..

..fev the larrikin in the heyday, sure.. ..why not.. ..fev the footballer, no way.. ..sellars would have sorted him out, fev only played for himself and our champion teams would never have played alongside him.. ..how long would he last cracking the sads at ordinary kicks to him from the likes of the dominator, hunter, Buckley.. ..harmes.. ..and don't glorify the old days, plenty of rushed kicks in those days too..

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:14 pm 
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Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, BKB? A lot of that goes on in this site. Fev or anybody else do not have to justify themselves to have a valid opinion on football. As for the 'Captain Obvious' jibes... the more the Blues cop criticism, the better.

My opinion on quality forwards is that, even if they don't win you the premierships on the day, they often put their sides in a good position during the H/A season so that at least their team can have a crack at winning one. :cool:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:26 pm 
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..never said he can't voice his opinion, at all.. ....more the idea he was in the wrong era of our football team, and I don't agree.. ..he wouldn't suit any era, because he was not a real team player..

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:38 pm 
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Listening to Fev on footy matters is like listening to John Elliot on management.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:09 am 
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If Fevola had been the fifth musketeer his motto would have been "All for one and all for one!".

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:28 am 
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GWS wrote:
If Fevola had been the fifth musketeer his motto would have been "All for one and all for one!".

he would have been sorted out if he was around in a strong leadership group
Walls always said that every Carlton player had his head pulled in by the group as a whole when a player got ahead of himself... 200 a season was not beyond him . :lol:
Fev played at a time we had no leadership....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:16 am 
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Synbad wrote:
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If Fevola had been the fifth musketeer his motto would have been "All for one and all for one!".

he would have been sorted out if he was around in a strong leadership group
Walls always said that every Carlton player had his head pulled in by the group as a whole when a player got ahead of himself... 200 a season was not beyond him . :lol:
Fev played at a time we had no leadership....



That's worded like we have leadership now

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:31 am 
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nah... just talking about the past and the era fev was at the club
past tense

present tense nothing has changed except we got rid of a scullywag genius extrovert.. who could switch a game into overdrive when he felt like it
setanta was another extrovert on the field...

we lost heart and soul when we allowed those two to go...
there might be reasons for doing that , thats not the point.. but their exuberance was never addressed .
eddie is another

we do alot of that...
take things away and not replace them with anything

there is no substitute for enthusiasm

even if fev wasnt always enthusiastic.. when he flicked the switch.. the team knew it and responded

too many boring types right now... just dull

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:49 am 
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Maybe if Fev, Fat Lance and Stevo had shown more professionalism and leadership back in the day, we wouldn't hve been so desperate to get Judd across.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:50 am 
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Didn't like a million beers after a loss did they?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:48 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
GWS wrote:
If Fevola had been the fifth musketeer his motto would have been "All for one and all for one!".

he would have been sorted out if he was around in a strong leadership group
Walls always said that every Carlton player had his head pulled in by the group as a whole when a player got ahead of himself... 200 a season was not beyond him . :lol:
Fev played at a time we had no leadership....

Walls also had Shane Strempel bashed by team mates
Something we all wanted to do to Fev at stages but I think he'd just laugh and say, 'it didn't hurt'.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:06 pm 
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Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, BKB? A lot of that goes on in this site. Fev or anybody else do not have to justify themselves to have a valid opinion on football. As for the 'Captain Obvious' jibes... the more the Blues cop criticism, the better.


No argument from me there. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:09 pm 
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Carlton questions what happened to Fevola quite often


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:28 am 
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I wonder how Fev would have gone under Malthouse or would he still have been a talented scallywag idiot...

I know that when Fev was being shopped around, Malthouse wasn't keen on recruiting Fev because of his off-field issues etc..

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:22 am 
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I'd hire Fev as a skills coach (goalkicking), the publicity alone would boost membership by a few thousand (those that dropped off after he was sacked and never renewed since).

But it's just wishful thinking and won't happen.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:33 am 
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Synbad wrote:
GWS wrote:
If Fevola had been the fifth musketeer his motto would have been "All for one and all for one!".

he would have been sorted out if he was around in a strong leadership group
Walls always said that every Carlton player had his head pulled in by the group as a whole when a player got ahead of himself... 200 a season was not beyond him . :lol:
Fev played at a time we had no leadership....


thats true - a leadership vacuum created by the great Pagan/Elshaugh regime

By 2004/05 the Harris/Barrassi leadership continuity thread was dismantled/severed.

Ratten didn't know or didn't care about this, perhaps thinking it will take care of itself or that Judd will whip the boys in shape. (as we know, and knew then, Judd is not the sort of leader we needed)

Malthouse knows this all too well. Why he opted to essentially squander his first 18 months with respect to this problem is totally beyond me. Perhaps he too was suckered in the fickle surface varnish that coats the Murphys, Waites, Judds etc...I doubt it though. Perhaps he was looking for a Nick Maxwell type of captain? I think he found him in Nick Duigan, but Duigan was certainly not a long term captain.

As a new coach I would have focused on two areas. The basics of the game (ie contested ball, 1%ers, workrate) and honest leadership foundations within the playing group. Let professional assistant coaches and conditioning personnel look after fitness and skills.

I would have cancelled overseas waste of time cost ineffective trips to Arizona to hike low mountains etc and focused on trips out to Bairnsdale and Castlemaine, just like the Cats do each year. In fact the cats send young and new players out in small groups, with a senior member of the leadership group to explain to them what is expected of them when they get a chance in the seniors. This benefits the young players and also builds trust and develops the leadership and responsibility of the experienced player who is in charge of the group (Harry Taylor was describing this process when he took 5 or 6 young players out to Castlemaine one pre season. He said that he gained a lot from the experience as well)

What does Carlton do in this area? Apart of from stagnate and promote elite playing groups that are protected and pampered by the board with little royal visy gifts and commercial partnerships (which often go wrong - ask Judd, Simpson and co)

We get what we deserve as a club.

(we saw how the players responded last week with far better workrate, 1%ers and contested ball. Suddenly they didn't look SHIT and underdone. They were competitive - that's all supporters want. 100% effort - and the first 4 weeks were disgracefull in these basic areas of the game - with the exception of a few patches within games. Not good enough, for professionals being paid top dollar to represent a great club such as Carlton. Lay down the challenge to the playing group. You don't want to do A,B or C, then @#$%&! off and play in the amateurs or play an individual sport like golf or darts. Get the @#$%&! hell out of this club. And I rated Fev very highly as a footballer - a great talent - but for Big Fev to be writing in public about what went wrong with the blues is just sheer lunacy - he was part of the culture that went wrong. When I saw Fev take out Setanta who was going back with the flight of the ball and not even look concerned if he had injured him or not, I understood what sort of person he was, and what sort of club culture we had. The fact that this incident occurred at all says a lot about the club and Fev himself)

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