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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 3:34 pm 
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Wow in what world do we need to worry about Frampton. Geez. How can they make him good and we cant make someone like Moir good.


You're questioning our development or the stuff between Moir's ears.

Frampton has become a fixture since 2023 Premiership.
He takes a lot of intercept marks. Even with moore out, they have marking power in the backline.

Without Moore 203, it would be Frampton 201 who would take Harry 203. That could end up 0-0.
Imagine Harry going into the ruck, leaving kemp 193 and Gov 191 as our KPFs against Frampton and Puncher, allowing Howe to be 3rd man up.

I hope Frampton misses because it leaves 20yo Cochrane 195 to partner Puncher 196 and Howe 190.
We have to stop them intercepting and if we dont play a lead mark game, get the ball on the floor for Evans Byrne Ainsworth Hayward types.

I feel Young has to come in this game, to chop out in the ruck or be our KPF if Harry is the chop out.

I wouldnt mind Young in the backline too because Cameron 204 is in good form and he wonders down for his 1-2 goals from marks against us.
They also have McStay 196 as their 2nd ruck, Buller 199 and the other 3 midsized marking forwards Membrey, McCreery and Anderson.
Derksen 195, Dean 193, and Haynes 192 wil be stretched as they were in the wet by Chor Lewis and Gunston.

Selection will be interesting. I think Young will play back on Buller/ Cameron. Maybe swung in the ruck as a chop out against Cameron.

I have no problem playing Riley at CB, but he needs support. I don't care if we play Pitto too. I think playing him will be good for his development. He can stretch Pies defenders playing KPF in goal square at times.


Moir - Who knows. But if it is between his ears, then there is no one at the club that can turn him around. So skill development and between the ears development go hand in hand. And a club should look after both. Doesnt help that he comes in for a game or two and gets dropped again. We do this regularly. I am glad we are not doing it with Ison, even though he needs a rest. But its good for his confidence and giving him a sample size to work on over the summer.

And shows we believe in him.

With Moir, we havent done the same unfortunately.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 4:23 pm 
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My opinion only but IF Josh wants the job or deep down intends to apply, this is a must win game.

Prove you can get this playing group to bounce back and beat a mob in our weight division who have the wood on us.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 4:32 pm 
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not sure i'd risk george 7 days after a back spasm. especially when lord is cherry ripe to bring in.


agree with everyone. this is must win. regardless of the coaching search, this is for the playing group.


must win.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:37 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Wow in what world do we need to worry about Frampton. Geez. How can they make him good and we cant make someone like Moir good.


You're questioning our development or the stuff between Moir's ears.

Frampton has become a fixture since 2023 Premiership.
He takes a lot of intercept marks. Even with moore out, they have marking power in the backline.

Without Moore 203, it would be Frampton 201 who would take Harry 203. That could end up 0-0.
Imagine Harry going into the ruck, leaving kemp 193 and Gov 191 as our KPFs against Frampton and Puncher, allowing Howe to be 3rd man up.

I hope Frampton misses because it leaves 20yo Cochrane 195 to partner Puncher 196 and Howe 190.
We have to stop them intercepting and if we dont play a lead mark game, get the ball on the floor for Evans Byrne Ainsworth Hayward types.

I feel Young has to come in this game, to chop out in the ruck or be our KPF if Harry is the chop out.

I wouldnt mind Young in the backline too because Cameron 204 is in good form and he wonders down for his 1-2 goals from marks against us.
They also have McStay 196 as their 2nd ruck, Buller 199 and the other 3 midsized marking forwards Membrey, McCreery and Anderson.
Derksen 195, Dean 193, and Haynes 192 wil be stretched as they were in the wet by Chor Lewis and Gunston.

Selection will be interesting. I think Young will play back on Buller/ Cameron. Maybe swung in the ruck as a chop out against Cameron.

I have no problem playing Riley at CB, but he needs support. I don't care if we play Pitto too. I think playing him will be good for his development. He can stretch Pies defenders playing KPF in goal square at times.


Moir - Who knows. But if it is between his ears, then there is no one at the club that can turn him around. So skill development and between the ears development go hand in hand. And a club should look after both. Doesnt help that he comes in for a game or two and gets dropped again. We do this regularly. I am glad we are not doing it with Ison, even though he needs a rest. But its good for his confidence and giving him a sample size to work on over the summer.

And shows we believe in him.

With Moir, we havent done the same unfortunately.


Don't feel sorry for him Drewgirl.
Moir was gifted the last 2 games of 2024, as a 19yo, to get a feel and work on his shortfalls over summer.

Then last year Moir got his block of 7 games in a row, to end the season. Same opportunity as Ison.
His best game he took 4 marks for 4 goals vs Dees. Then his next 5 games were very average.

He didn't fire a shot in preseason, and, he was gifted a spot in Round zero.
All he proved is he wasnt fit enough and out of form. Gifting games is not a good idea
If he had looked OK and willing, he'd be in Ison's spot last week, this week and next week.
They play the same role.

I think when fans who want him to play they are suggesting we gift him a game regardless how bad he's been in the VFL.
What message would that send to players playing well in the VFL, and selection integrity.

Truth is, his contract as up for discussion this year, and I want to retain him on the list in hope, but sadly, he hasn't deserved a game this year.

He will be picked at the drop of a hat if he shows something. Trusgrove is trying to get him into the game playing HB, midfield, but he lacks application, desire and desperation to get into the team, let alone help his team mates in the VFL win games. He hasn't fired a shot in the VFL this year. Its July.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:45 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
not sure i'd risk george 7 days after a back spasm. especially when lord is cherry ripe to bring in.


agree with everyone. this is must win. regardless of the coaching search, this is for the playing group.


must win.


For the playing group, and the fans, and payback for that last game when Vossy gave Ollie the task to tag Naicos playing forward.

Georgie missed nearly all 2020 with a back complaint at the Swans, but recovered, to play every game in 2021 then in his first year at Carlton in 2022 he had back injury again, and everyone wrote him off, but he came back after missing 7 games and blitzed. This is his first back complaint since early 2022. Hope it is just a spasm, but if its not ....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:29 pm 
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Lord for Hewitt makes sense however Lord didn't play seconds yesterday - was he rested just in case? If so did he need the weekend off considering we play Sat night = 6 day break.

Or is he injured?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:55 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
Lord for Hewitt makes sense however Lord didn't play seconds yesterday - was he rested just in case? If so did he need the weekend off considering we play Sat night = 6 day break.

Or is he injured?

More likely injury avoidance in the VFL knowing George is likely out.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:00 am 
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killpies wrote:
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Lord for Hewitt makes sense however Lord didn't play seconds yesterday - was he rested just in case? If so did he need the weekend off considering we play Sat night = 6 day break.

Or is he injured?

More likely injury avoidance in the VFL knowing George is likely out.



that was my speculation too ... there's no news anywhere to suggest lord is injured.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:05 am 
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Braithy wrote:
killpies wrote:
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Lord for Hewitt makes sense however Lord didn't play seconds yesterday - was he rested just in case? If so did he need the weekend off considering we play Sat night = 6 day break.

Or is he injured?

More likely injury avoidance in the VFL knowing George is likely out.



that was my speculation too ... there's no news anywhere to suggest lord is injured.


Pretty sure Lord was the carry over and not injured . But what the heck , if in the unlikely event Lord is injured give Ben Campo a go . Benny puts his head over the football . He goes in hard .

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:56 am 
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Weather looks good for this Saturday night.
As for temperature, that's another thing.

The conditions in the first half last week may have sapped the players a bit.
I hope Rob Inness has a managed a 'considered' approach to the loads this week and will have the boys cherry ripe for this game.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 11:10 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
The conditions in the first half last week may have sapped the players a bit.
I hope Rob Inness has a managed a 'considered' approach to the loads this week and will have the boys cherry ripe for this game.

With a seven-day break, no travel, and the game effectively over by three-quarter time, fatigue from the wet conditions shouldn't be an excuse.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 11:26 am 
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If this group is legitimate for success, I expect us to come out seething and wanting redemption after last weeks performance.
Effort was poor last week and there is no more excuses about game plan, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 12:07 pm 
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Collingwood only has a five-day break after this game before playing the Crows, so I wonder if they'll take a cautious approach with Howe and some of their other veterans. They may decide to rest them this week and have them fresh for Adelaide instead.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 1:01 pm 
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Terry/Blue Abroad was at training and said Hewett was participating in some drills, also JW won't be ready (as we suspected).
Humpers wrote:
Collingwood only has a five-day break after this game before playing the Crows, so I wonder if they'll take a cautious approach with Howe and some of their other veterans. They may decide to rest them this week and have them fresh for Adelaide instead.
Nah, not against us.
They also have a great record in against Adelaide in Adelaide.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 1:46 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Terry/Blue Abroad was at training and said Hewett was participating in some drills, also JW won't be ready (as we suspected).
Humpers wrote:
Collingwood only has a five-day break after this game before playing the Crows, so I wonder if they'll take a cautious approach with Howe and some of their other veterans. They may decide to rest them this week and have them fresh for Adelaide instead.
Nah, not against us.
They also have a great record in against Adelaide in Adelaide.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jfupQl1xTw

Looks promising for Pitto and Hewett

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 1:52 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Collingwood only has a five-day break after this game before playing the Crows, so I wonder if they'll take a cautious approach with Howe and some of their other veterans. They may decide to rest them this week and have them fresh for Adelaide instead.


This is an 8 point game for them, like it is for us.

This is much more important to win than next week's 50-50 game...and they say they like to travel.

I reckon they will pick Howe because he's fit to play.
Everyone fit or had their suspension dropped will play.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 3:06 pm 
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hope frampton and howe play we need to be smarter going into our f50 said this about 1000times no more long bombs coll love this ,they set up and begin there attack from defence


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 3:12 pm 
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Frampton
I think this Frampton case is completely different to the others where they got off.
The others didn’t warrant suspension but this one was clearly a dangerous tackle. I’d be extremely surprised if he gets off.

Moir
Moir needs to be accountable for himself. Hopefully the penny drops for him soon. I realise he is a bit of a laconic player and I don’t want him to be judged harshly because of that - there are plenty of players who don’t look like they’re working as hard as others but they are. However, he needs to deliver outcomes. Having said that, I did like them trying him on the backline in the VFL. His is an extremely difficult position to prove yourself. I was following Sheezel a bit before he was drafted and i thought he could struggle as he was picked up as a small forward (I thought). When he came in to the seniors at half back, I reckon this was the making of him. Not saying Moir could be a Sheezel, but it takes a certain manic type or freaky skilled player to crack into senior footy as a small forward. Only a few do that well (Eddie, Wizard come to mind.
Byrne is doing well but his numbers aren’t amazing; his manic attitude is offering the team a great contribution though).

Hewett
If it is genuinely a back spasm, I’ve had several of these and - even without AFL type medical attention - I’ve been ok after 4-5 days, depending on severity. He may well be perfectly fine by Thu/Fri. If so, I suspect he will play. If not, Lord could come in but I am also keen to see Ben Campo at AFL level at some point if possible.

This will speak volumes about us on several fronts. I don’t think the result rules Fraser in or out but it will and should contribute to his application.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 5:20 pm 
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killpies wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Lord for Hewitt makes sense however Lord didn't play seconds yesterday - was he rested just in case? If so did he need the weekend off considering we play Sat night = 6 day break.

Or is he injured?

More likely injury avoidance in the VFL knowing George is likely out.


They did that with acres as soon as Carroll got hurt, so i think its precautionary

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