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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 8:13 pm 
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After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Beating oneself up about the one that got away, with the benefit of hindsight is masochistic behaviour imo.
Players like Reidy were overlooked by 15 teams, including guru Ross Lyon whose son played footy with him.

Move on, next. I am a strong believer that there is untapped talent in the State Leagues, bush and outback.

What are our gaps? Lets assume 4 major gaps: No 1 Ruck, KPF, HBF, Mid. Do you agree? If not, what else?
Who is superfluous? Unless of course we close the gaps and have our window open in 2027 eg Aging players?
Which development players are showing no upside? Young guys who have unfixable flaws, not worth persevering with.

I'm sure, from a List of 44, it would be easy to discard 15 from the above mentioned criteria, but that's not going to happen in 2026.

So in comparison to Flagmantle, :lol: what do we need?

The Engine Room?
Assume we land Walker to add speed and nimbleness, to Walsh and Smith whish is what the Freo midfield combo is made up of with Serong, Brayshaw and Reidy.
Flagmantle who also have big boy Young to throw in there. We will have big boys Wilson or Cowan to consider in there within a couple years. Then there's Ainsworth and we do have the gruntman of the AFL Crippa on tap for a couple more years.
If you like, you can decide whether Byrne or Motlop will be adding to our midfield mix. Is the Engine room ready to challenge?

Flagmantle have Jackson Cox and Darcy. Give me Jackson for a start and I think we are well on our way. We have Pittonet, McKay....Riley, OKeefe and Freo reject Reidy.

That would stop the bleeding at CB and probably an extra 6 wins with what we have this year.

What are our gaps? Can we fill them in the next 2 years to challenge Flagmantle?
Interested to hear what you think but I'm interested in tangibles, and I don't want to hear about what we missed out on in the past or make up of Boardroom. Just the List.


We need another KPF? Looks like Ben Mackay might be available at the end of the year, could be cheap, just sayin…


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 10:22 am 
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We need another KPF? Looks like Ben Mackay might be available at the end of the year, could be cheap, just sayin…


:grin:

Effendopes havent got many stars. Merret, Ridley yeah nah….not many on big money. I suspect Ben has been front loading for previous 2 years and probably this one, his 3rd year of 6.

He must be on $250k pa from next year.

Why not? Good depth.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 10:43 am 
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Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 1:23 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better


Wait until you see the McKay brothers together in our forward line, they will be like the Krakouer brothers show all over again! Our very own twin towers!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 5:38 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better


Agree

There's got to be a quick good marking KPF or three in the WAFL.
Any you have an eye on? We only need one Warren Ralph a Bosustow/ Fitzpatrick/ Dorotich type. Kenny Hunter would be welcome.

If we are making 10 changes to list this year, Walker will cost our 2 highest picks, then we will be using 2 x 2nd rounders in the 30's, and possibly a pick int 20's from a Trade. That's 4 from last uncompromised Draft.

Where are the other 6 new players coming from?
FA x 1 or 2, and a couple Trades (2027 picks). That's 3.

Leaves us with 3 players from where????? Has to be some mature players from State Leagues or Premier Leagues. Maybe one from our VFL side...my boy Farrer????
Hopefully they have woken up to this goldmine.

Come on keogh...inspire me with some possible name we could target.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 5:53 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Welcome back B J . Been a fair while since you have been sighted around this part of the world . Anyhow , good to have your input .


Hi Mick! Hope you’re doing well. I spend most of my time on YouTube these days on Terry’s Blue Abroad. Many will know me as Joel. Carlton is an incredibly flaky football team. You can’t trust them as far you could throw them.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 6:39 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Every year there is a jump in standards in regards to what it takes to win a flag
How far off our we.
Fremantle have improved awesomely this year.

Do Carlton have the building blocks in place
Is Walker worth it.
Or is it better to try and get 2 good kids with who we have got.

The question is how far are we off what Freo showed in the second half last night
That’s what Carlton supporters should be asking themselves


Or maybe Supporters should see that in 2024 Freo finished 10th. In 2025, 6th. So the progress is there for them. Recruiting has been terrific.

This year they look amazing and last night's 2nd half was PURE! And yet they got chopped up by GWS last week. A team we beat at home. Go figure.

Would the Current Carlton team beat the 2024 version of Freo?

If Cody is the next version of Dangerfield, would you pick him?

Dangerfield in 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNzVKyZvlzU

Dangers kicking was terrible. Cody's foot disposal is leaps ahead. Cody's vision is better in traffic. Danger is a touch quicker. Danger was always a bull in a china shop. Cody is more clinical with his aggression.

IMHO, it is not whether we pick Cody, it is who else we pick and/or trade in before Tassie arrives.

Regards Cazzesman


Holy jeez.....the similarities are obvious. If anything, I would say walker is the better kick at the same age.

Get Walker.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 8:18 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Welcome back B J . Been a fair while since you have been sighted around this part of the world . Anyhow , good to have your input .


Hi Mick! Hope you’re doing well. I spend most of my time on YouTube these days on Terry’s Blue Abroad. Many will know me as Joel. Carlton is an incredibly flaky football team. You can’t trust them as far you could throw them.

Yeah , travelling well BJ thanks for asking . Joel on Blue Abroad hey . OK I will tune in . Terry is a level headed type of bloke who comes across as a fair and reasonable bloke .

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:55 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better


Agree

There's got to be a quick good marking KPF or three in the WAFL.
Any you have an eye on? We only need one Warren Ralph a Bosustow/ Fitzpatrick/ Dorotich type. Kenny Hunter would be welcome.

If we are making 10 changes to list this year, Walker will cost our 2 highest picks, then we will be using 2 x 2nd rounders in the 30's, and possibly a pick int 20's from a Trade. That's 4 from last uncompromised Draft.

Where are the other 6 new players coming from?
FA x 1 or 2, and a couple Trades (2027 picks). That's 3.

Leaves us with 3 players from where????? Has to be some mature players from State Leagues or Premier Leagues. Maybe one from our VFL side...my boy Farrer????
Hopefully they have woken up to this goldmine.

Come on keogh...inspire me with some possible name we could target.

The cupboard is very bare at the WAFL
Jaiden Hunter would be worth a look from Claremont
Good size 24 years old
Bit sad the WAFL struggle to get 1000 to a game
Aaron Clarke leads the goal kicking with 41 originally from Coburg


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:03 am 
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Interesting if Jack Delean gets picked up
21 year old from South Adelaide
Has the athletic traits to play AFL
Kick 8 against Port
182 cm so not key forward but definitely should be on the radar
Pick 60 originally from Freo


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 10:31 am 
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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better


Agree

There's got to be a quick good marking KPF or three in the WAFL.
Any you have an eye on? We only need one Warren Ralph a Bosustow/ Fitzpatrick/ Dorotich type. Kenny Hunter would be welcome.

If we are making 10 changes to list this year, Walker will cost our 2 highest picks, then we will be using 2 x 2nd rounders in the 30's, and possibly a pick int 20's from a Trade. That's 4 from last uncompromised Draft.

Where are the other 6 new players coming from?
FA x 1 or 2, and a couple Trades (2027 picks). That's 3.

Leaves us with 3 players from where????? Has to be some mature players from State Leagues or Premier Leagues. Maybe one from our VFL side...my boy Farrer????
Hopefully they have woken up to this goldmine.

Come on keogh...inspire me with some possible name we could target.

The cupboard is very bare at the WAFL
Jaiden Hunter would be worth a look from Claremont
Good size 24 years old
Bit sad the WAFL struggle to get 1000 to a game
Aaron Clarke leads the goal kicking with 41 originally from Coburg


1000 attendance. far out, the WAFL has been severely impacted with only 2 WA AFL teams.

Also, strange to hear the cupboard is bereft of big boys in WA. They grow 'em big in WA.
We need a genuine big bodied KPF who can take a grab. A real target. Surely there's one somewhere outside the AFL.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 1:59 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better
B McKay a whopping 2 possies in the VFL on the weekend.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 2:39 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better
B McKay a whopping 2 possies in the VFL on the weekend.


Certainly feeling the salary pressure and then some within *.
I don’t believe he is as bad as currently playing but definitely needs a new environment.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 3:13 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
keogh wrote:
Ben McKay is a crap footballer
Gives new definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least Cain Ackland tried
Look in the lower leagues
100 blokes better
B McKay a whopping 2 possies in the VFL on the weekend.

Maybe 500


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 3:35 pm 
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stay away repeat STAY AWAY from Joel Amartey please another player who wants big dollars based on what ? learn from previous big contracts williams ,gov lucky SOS have moved on .


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 3:40 pm 
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stay away repeat STAY AWAY from Joel Amartey please another player who wants big dollars based on what ? learn from previous big contracts williams ,gov lucky SOS have moved on .
This.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 4:15 pm 
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Stay away from him even if he wants small dollars :grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 4:22 pm 
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I wouldn't take him for free.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 5:05 pm 
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Some posters and fans have said, and I agree, we need 2 KPFs with Harry now the Fwd/Ruck 30-40%
Finding one is hard enough.

Gov and Kemp are not KPF's they are tall mobile marking forwards.
They play KPF because the alternatives are Lewis Young or Derksen; depth players.

They should be in competition for the other 4 spots in the forward line imo, but
Gov, the same height as Ison, may be retired. Kemp may be traded. Moir is the developing marking tall.
Hayward is the other midsized marking player. Byrne and Evans the 2 smalls.

The chance of finding 2 KPF's is remote, given we will only have the Swans 2027 1st round pick to Trade, and we will need that for 2028.

Here's the choices:

1. If you don't want Amartey as a FA who is gettable, and Lewis will likely stay, who are you thinking the club can realistically target?

2. If you can't think of a target better than Amartey, you are happy to go around again with Gov and Kemp as our KPF s and Harry our Fwd/ Ruck?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 5:11 pm 
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Swans have played Amartey as a KPF since 2023, when they also had McDonald and McLean (3rd Tall). 3 Talls.

This year, Swans added Charlie Curnow, and Amartey still retained his spot as one of 3 KPF's.

Amartey has kicked on average 2 goals a game in the last 3 years, and held his spot in a team that regularly make finals.
And posters think he's not worth a look? Why do the Swans pick him when available? He keeps contesting, and snags a couple.
I prefer Amartey to Kemp and Gov as KPFs.

I'd be happy with Amartey, at the right price, if we can't land another KPF.
Then we can be in the hunt for the other KPF, unless Buku plays intercept 3rd tall which releases HOF to play KPF.

Obviously we need to focus on landing just ONE KPF to play in 2027. Where are you?

Beggers can't be choosers, but Baggers can be choosers.

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