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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 10:30 am 
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keogh wrote:
Fremantle list profile highlights where recruiters need to get things right
Nail first round picks Serong Brayshaw Amiss
Getting stars through trades Jackson Bolton
Smart trades McVee Clark
Left fielders Treacy Dudley Frederick Voss
A game plan that works that has taken time to evolve
Patience till it clicks
Murphy a steal at pick 17
No injuries and their still got a long way to go but last night was simply unbelievable football


You have mounted a compelling case to get David Walls back into the joint .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 10:43 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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if we keep climbing the ladder and lose the 10% discount

Currently we have pick #9 (1355) and #17 (879) moving back to #10 (1276) and #18 (836) if Cochrane is called out before Cody.
If we finish in top 10 (no discount):

We better hope Richmond doesn't finish last and if they do, Sydney doesn't finish second or win the GF.


You're right Sidey. The picture can be even bleaker than the above. I have no doubt 3 of our 2026 and 2027 First picks, maybe 2026 2nd rounders, will be used on Walker. I hope its not 4 1sts (there could be a riot), but then again, if that means we end up playing in a Prelim or GF, that's the cost.

Lets see how we go against Hawks this week, because I think we can get to Wildcard 10th and beat WB, therefore 8th, then face Hawks. Beat the Hawks and we are facing a Prelim at the Gabba against Lions (dejavu). I expect us to land as high as 4th.

Crusader pointed out that points can get bleaker if/ when we add FA compo picks after the teams first pick who end up below Sydney. Your shift from 9 to 10 accounts for the Ports matching of the Cochrane bid, before us. Then there's the shift to the Sydney first rounder from compo picks for FA (Butters Bailey Williams King Fritsch Sparrow....what if we beat Lions...Neale compo...)

Add 20% to points required for pick 2 or 3, let alone 1....
Reduce points we have for our Sydney first round pick, pushed from 15,16,17,18 to 21, 22, 23, 24....

I don't want dannyboy to even have to think about this cost before our season is finished.

Que sera sera

As for who ends up with Pick 1 and the related nuances:

I don't think Effendopes will get off the bottom of the ladder, and hope they continue to desire our 2027 picks for Bewick.

Eff vs Bris, GWS, Haw, Adel, Geel, Syd, PA

Richmond no better but have a chance against of a win against WCE at the MCG.

I hope they both lose all their games.

If Effendopes win ONE game, and Tigers lose all their games, things just got Bleaker if Tigers call out Walker first, or 2nd.

Let GW and CD worry about that. But I'm not sure they factored our revival (let alone 7 wins in a row) and possibility of Finals when they decided to not tank after the Lions game.

I would love to beat the Hawks this week, to give us confidence when we face them next in Finals :wink:

I like the positivity Bondi.
4th might be a stretch but I wouldn't complain if we did get that high.
Fingers crossed the bottom of the ladder stays the way it is and the Dopes* don't bid on Cody first.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 10:45 am 
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After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Well said
It’s ok to be one -eyed but so many supporters are simply blinkered on how they see footy and their team
That second half they played is the best footy I have seen for a long time
As you said we are miles off it
We may not get Walker but if we do it may cost us two potential stars minimum
You simply have to nail your picks in top 10
Also again footy smarts is overlooked
Murphy going at 17
Dudley is very smart doesn’t fumble and was running around for Central Districts as a mature age
Take note Windy
Treacy was rookie pick
Great recruiting


Exactly we need to nail our first round picks this year so we must pick Walker, otherwise all we may pick up are a couple of dud first rounds. Fremantle shows us we don't need to rely on lot's of first round picks, we just need to nail the lower round and rookie picks. Like we did with Wilson, Derksen, Ison, etc


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:00 am 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
We also have 2decent 2nd rd picks that can be traded to move up the draft board in the 1st rd. GC's and Norf's. Both will be early to mid-20s picks

Those picks won't be so decent by the time we need them though.

If Cochrane is bid on first, those picks will be pushed back 1 place for him and another 5 for bottom of the ladder compensation.

i.e. Gold Coast 2nd is currently at pick 23 (653 pts), if that moves back 6 spots then it'll be pick 29 (479 pts).
Still less than we need and if we were to trade it to move up we would probably lose a fair percentage of it and still be in debt.
The other 2nd we have is Norths and that is currently pick 26 (561 pts), that'll move back at least 6 spots also to pick 32 (405 pts).

Note: There will also be free agent compensation picks that need to be added into the mix making those picks slide even more.

I think we will be looking at trading both 2nds or our 2027 1st at minimum and both will be at a percentage loss as we will be in need.
We could trade 1 second and cop the deficit for next year also.

As I said, this is not an ideal situation.

Cody is worth the effort IMO.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:27 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Glad you enjoyed going to the footy last week BJ. A close game with many faults but we got the 4 points.
That's what it's all about.

Anyone who thinks we are close to Freo or the Swans this year is dreaming.
Given that, it is a great position when you know we have a few gaps. How many? I'm all ears.
Admission is honesty and a great spot to start from to make the right moves.

As long as we are good identifying who doesn't and can't serve us we will make good decisions.

Eg Harry McKay is frustrating at times and not great value for the $900K he's paid.
If we put aside the $900K the focus should be where his skillset would best serve us.
I respect the power of the tangible rather than the bird in the bush.
Its far easier to find the right spot for Harry rather than push him out against his will.
I'd be rapt in McKay if he was our 3rd Tall/ No 2 Ruck.

Dropping McKay to the VFL to encourage change is a different tactic, but the trap is to not force a square peg into a round whole. That is an issue created by the person with an unreasonable expectation.

Point is, who on our list is not moving the needle and can make space for improvement.
At this present time, Salary Cap is not our issue since Curnow, SOS, TDK and Doc were moved on.
Hence we don't need to make desperate moves to finance a FA, nor will Draft picks be costly.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:35 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Beating oneself up about the one that got away, with the benefit of hindsight is masochistic behaviour imo.
Players like Reidy were overlooked by 15 teams, including guru Ross Lyon whose son played footy with him.

Move on, next. I am a strong believer that there is untapped talent in the State Leagues, bush and outback.

What are our gaps? Lets assume 4 major gaps: No 1 Ruck, KPF, HBF, Mid. Do you agree? If not, what else?
Who is superfluous? Unless of course we close the gaps and have our window open in 2027 eg Aging players?
Which development players are showing no upside? Young guys who have unfixable flaws, not worth persevering with.

I'm sure, from a List of 44, it would be easy to discard 15 from the above mentioned criteria, but that's not going to happen in 2026.

So in comparison to Flagmantle, :lol: what do we need?

The Engine Room?
Assume we land Walker to add speed and nimbleness, to Walsh and Smith whish is what the Freo midfield combo is made up of with Serong, Brayshaw and Reidy.
Flagmantle who also have big boy Young to throw in there. We will have big boys Wilson or Cowan to consider in there within a couple years. Then there's Ainsworth and we do have the gruntman of the AFL Crippa on tap for a couple more years.
If you like, you can decide whether Byrne or Motlop will be adding to our midfield mix. Is the Engine room ready to challenge?

Flagmantle have Jackson Cox and Darcy. Give me Jackson for a start and I think we are well on our way. We have Pittonet, McKay....Riley, OKeefe and Freo reject Reidy.

That would stop the bleeding at CB and probably an extra 6 wins with what we have this year.

What are our gaps? Can we fill them in the next 2 years to challenge Flagmantle?
Interested to hear what you think but I'm interested in tangibles, and I don't want to hear about what we missed out on in the past or make up of Boardroom. Just the List.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:42 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
I like the positivity Bondi.
4th might be a stretch but I wouldn't complain if we did get that high.
Fingers crossed the bottom of the ladder stays the way it is and the Dopes* don't bid on Cody first.


Its not positivity, its fanciful. :lol:
Aint gonna happen, when I wake up.

I've backed us to make 10th. I think we will win a Final too. ie pick 9 and at least 10 after Cochrane bid.
I expect Swans to finish 4th, maybe 5th.

Getting over the Hawks in the wet tomorrow night will only strengthen my resolve.

Point is our hand to match the bid for Walker will be made tougher than we are currently thinking.

Like dannyboy, I hope GW makes the right "considered" decision and I'm not thinking about Cody anymore. I'm barracking for the Bluebaggers to win.

Que sera sera.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:53 am 
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sinbagger wrote:

Exactly we need to nail our first round picks this year so we must pick Walker, otherwise all we may pick up are a couple of dud first rounds. Fremantle shows us we don't need to rely on lot's of first round picks, we just need to nail the lower round and rookie picks. Like we did with Wilson, Derksen, Ison, etc


Re First rounders, I totally agree re Walker. no brainer really, when you look at SOS' 8 first round duds.

IMO Derksen is depth. Like GWS, he's nice depth to have. He didnt play a game for GWS in 3 years. That is not nailing our rookie picks.

On the other hand I agree great later selections Austin nailed were Wilson at pick 34, Cowan pick 30, O'Farrell Pick 40, Ison pick 47, Byrne 45, Carroll rookie.

That's 6 in 6 years. Is that comparable to Freo's success with latter picks?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:59 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
We also have 2decent 2nd rd picks that can be traded to move up the draft board in the 1st rd. GC's and Norf's. Both will be early to mid-20s picks


Those picks won't be so decent by the time we need them though.

If Cochrane is bid on first, those picks will be pushed back 1 place for him and another 5 for bottom of the ladder compensation.



They are still valuable picks in this last compromised Draft. If we don't trade them, all we have to do is nail them.

I think GW will Trade a player or 2 to give him 2 x 2nd round picks as he aimed for from the outset, and take Walker.

I'm sure he's cooking up something. He's no fool.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:07 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:

I think we will be looking at trading both 2nds or our 2027 1st at minimum and both will be at a percentage loss as we will be in need.
We could trade 1 second and cop the deficit for next year also.



I think you're right. I think we will carry the cost any deficit we can get into 2027 rather than losing value of picks in 2026.

That deficit will be against our first pick in 2027.

I think its prudent of GW to push the other 2027 First to 2028, then the deficit can come off our 2027 2nd round pick.

Next year is the compromised Draft, and we will target FAs and cheap value Trades for 3rd and 4th round picks. In 2028 we need points for Kouta, Thornton and Togala.

I'm know GW is all over it. He's the master, and knows who the available targets are.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:18 pm 
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Every year there is a jump in standards in regards to what it takes to win a flag
How far off our we.
Fremantle have improved awesomely this year.

Do Carlton have the building blocks in place
Is Walker worth it.
Or is it better to try and get 2 good kids with who we have got.

The question is how far are we off what Freo showed in the second half last night
That’s what Carlton supporters should be asking themselves


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:42 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Every year there is a jump in standards in regards to what it takes to win a flag
How far off our we.
Fremantle have improved awesomely this year.

Do Carlton have the building blocks in place
Is Walker worth it.
Or is it better to try and get 2 good kids with who we have got.

The question is how far are we off what Freo showed in the second half last night
That’s what Carlton supporters should be asking themselves


They were a great watch. Loved them smack Sydney. :lol:

I think Freo have been building for years. I love them.
I hope they can dominate for a couple more years. Longmire is a beauty.
Quite a few Freo supporters here in Sydney at the club.
A proud Football team from a Football state, and hungry for their first flag.

I thought they were in trouble 5 years ago with aging Ryan, Cox, Taberner, Mundy and recently Fyfe.
But those young kids they picked up with their top 10 picks...I badly hoped SOS would get Serong.

Adding Jackson, finding Reidy and the evolution of whipping boy Treacle has been the cherry on top.
Treacle was always unfairly compared to Taberner, and when Fyfe was fit, he was the fringe dweller.
They have been building for years. They always had good Tall boys and built their midfield with top 10 picks.
They deserve the success that will come. I hope they don't fall over at the Final hurdle. No guarantees in footy.

We didn't play Fremantle in the 2nd half last night. Can't compare.
Each game should be judged on its merits. Some teams match up differently.

Was talking to a player's dad. Sydney stopped in the 2nd half.
The Swans gave it everything they had to shut the crowd up. Spent their tickets.

How far off are we? What are our gaps?
Do we have 10, 15, 18, players as our foundation, and do we need to fill 5-8 gaps?
That's what I'm keen to explore.
I think apart from the ruck, we have the makings of a great midfield with Walker added.
But what about all the other lines that make up a team?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:00 pm 
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Oh what we would do with a ruckman like Jackson. He is amazing. And what a difference a ruckman like him makes to a midfield.

I think one of the most important positions on the ground - a good ruckman is so important.

He sets up the midfield. He can take marks back. Take marks forward.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:22 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Fremantle list profile highlights where recruiters need to get things right
Nail first round picks Serong Brayshaw Amiss

Logue, Cerra, Sturt, Young, Henry, Chapman, Erasmus.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:30 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I like the positivity Bondi.
4th might be a stretch but I wouldn't complain if we did get that high.
Fingers crossed the bottom of the ladder stays the way it is and the Dopes* don't bid on Cody first.


Its not positivity, its fanciful. :lol:
Aint gonna happen, when I wake up.

I've backed us to make 10th. I think we will win a Final too. ie pick 9 and at least 10 after Cochrane bid.
I expect Swans to finish 4th, maybe 5th.

Getting over the Hawks in the wet tomorrow night will only strengthen my resolve.

Point is our hand to match the bid for Walker will be made tougher than we are currently thinking.

Like dannyboy, I hope GW makes the right "considered" decision and I'm not thinking about Cody anymore. I'm barracking for the Bluebaggers to win.

Que sera sera.

Definitely a better position for Cody if we do finish 9th.
Winning is good, but we need him or a player like him.
Speed, IQ and what is looking like great skills also.
200+ game midfield star.
Cody and Arli will be our Ashcrofts.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:31 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Every year there is a jump in standards in regards to what it takes to win a flag
How far off our we.
Fremantle have improved awesomely this year.

Do Carlton have the building blocks in place
Is Walker worth it.
Or is it better to try and get 2 good kids with who we have got.

The question is how far are we off what Freo showed in the second half last night
That’s what Carlton supporters should be asking themselves


Keogh we need to nail our first round picks, so we go for Walker and not a couple of speculative firsts that will likely be list cloggers. You need to get away from what we’ve done in the past and look forward to the further, we need to change, what we did on the past 20 years hasn’t worked, I can’t believe you guys don’t get this.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:33 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
We also have 2decent 2nd rd picks that can be traded to move up the draft board in the 1st rd. GC's and Norf's. Both will be early to mid-20s picks


Those picks won't be so decent by the time we need them though.

If Cochrane is bid on first, those picks will be pushed back 1 place for him and another 5 for bottom of the ladder compensation.



They are still valuable picks in this last compromised Draft. If we don't trade them, all we have to do is nail them.

I think GW will Trade a player or 2 to give him 2 x 2nd round picks as he aimed for from the outset, and take Walker.

I'm sure he's cooking up something. He's no fool.

I think the same, we are looking at a player trade here.
Those picks will be good for picks but less so as trades for a round 1 pick upgrade.
We will lose a bit of value.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:45 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Every year there is a jump in standards in regards to what it takes to win a flag
How far off our we.
Fremantle have improved awesomely this year.

Do Carlton have the building blocks in place
Is Walker worth it.
Or is it better to try and get 2 good kids with who we have got.

The question is how far are we off what Freo showed in the second half last night
That’s what Carlton supporters should be asking themselves


7 weeks ago, we were 14 or 15 places off Freo. Now we’re 9 places off. We’re improving and id suggest that is on a number of levels on field and off it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:01 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Every year there is a jump in standards in regards to what it takes to win a flag
How far off our we.
Fremantle have improved awesomely this year.

Do Carlton have the building blocks in place
Is Walker worth it.
Or is it better to try and get 2 good kids with who we have got.

The question is how far are we off what Freo showed in the second half last night
That’s what Carlton supporters should be asking themselves


Or maybe Supporters should see that in 2024 Freo finished 10th. In 2025, 6th. So the progress is there for them. Recruiting has been terrific.

This year they look amazing and last night's 2nd half was PURE! And yet they got chopped up by GWS last week. A team we beat at home. Go figure.

Would the Current Carlton team beat the 2024 version of Freo?

If Cody is the next version of Dangerfield, would you pick him?

Dangerfield in 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNzVKyZvlzU

Dangers kicking was terrible. Cody's foot disposal is leaps ahead. Cody's vision is better in traffic. Danger is a touch quicker. Danger was always a bull in a china shop. Cody is more clinical with his aggression.

IMHO, it is not whether we pick Cody, it is who else we pick and/or trade in before Tassie arrives.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 5:16 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Welcome back B J . Been a fair while since you have been sighted around this part of the world . Anyhow , good to have your input .

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