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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:47 pm 
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Why do we defend, with all 18 players, so deep? We just retreat and invite pressure that we’ve proven time and again that we can’t handle. Oppo moves the ball down field with no pressure and still hit up targets in their F50.

And the few times we try to run and carry from the back half we have no one to @#$%&! kick to. How many times are we streaming through the corridor and have to kick wide to the wing?

Coaching. System. Structure.

Appalling.

Were are not the only team that does it.
However, we are one of the teams that can't pull off the transition very well due to personnel.
We lost that game, not because of coaching, not because of umpiring but because of poor kicking.
It is as simple as that.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:51 pm 
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What a waste of energy and momentum when we consistently miss SET shots at goal 30-40 out. Thats on the players … and list manager.

Voss will be gone, but we need to improve our forward craft. Fix the fkn goal kicking routine for all forwards. It’s amateur hour when we sit in hope they kick straight. FMD it’s so obvious, year after year….fix it Harry. You’re on the list for another 4 years, and highly likely as our No 1 KPF, unless we can attract Geogiades or the like.


I get really irritated by Jeremy Cameron and his stupid little ball compression ceremony when he's got a set shot. Elicits a similar reaction to Rafa Nadal's arse pick-n-sniff. I should perhaps see a psychologist about this. But that aside, at least these blokes have a routine and deliver consistently. I noticed last night, H is all over the shop. Sometimes he spends 30 seconds debating whether to go around the body or go the drop punt. Sometimes he places the ball on the ground and wipes his hands, Sometimes he spins it around. Sometimes - and a lot of our guys do this - he just gazes off at the shot clock and then suddenly goes oh crap, I've got to kick it now. Everyone in our squad should be put on notice: choose a routine and replicate it EXACTLY on your next five set shots, otherwise you're delisted, cauliflower.

I've said this before, like golf which most of these boys play, you need to reset the brain and a routine does this.
I also read whey they press the ball and that is because they are not always inflated the same.
Maybe it is something they should all be doing, last night the kicking on both side was deplorable at times.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:51 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Why do we defend, with all 18 players, so deep? We just retreat and invite pressure that we’ve proven time and again that we can’t handle. Oppo moves the ball down field with no pressure and still hit up targets in their F50.

And the few times we try to run and carry from the back half we have no one to @#$%&! kick to. How many times are we streaming through the corridor and have to kick wide to the wing?

Coaching. System. Structure.

Appalling.

Were are not the only team that does it.
However, we are one of the teams that can't pull off the transition very well due to personnel.
We lost that game, not because of coaching, not because of umpiring but because of poor kicking.
It is as simple as that.


It’s personnel that we don’t have anyone forward?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:58 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Why do we defend, with all 18 players, so deep? We just retreat and invite pressure that we’ve proven time and again that we can’t handle. Oppo moves the ball down field with no pressure and still hit up targets in their F50.

And the few times we try to run and carry from the back half we have no one to @#$%&! kick to. How many times are we streaming through the corridor and have to kick wide to the wing?

Coaching. System. Structure.

Appalling.

Were are not the only team that does it.
However, we are one of the teams that can't pull off the transition very well due to personnel.
We lost that game, not because of coaching, not because of umpiring but because of poor kicking.
It is as simple as that.


It’s personnel that we don’t have anyone forward?

The only team that I have seen and I could be wrong that keeps a player in F50 is the Hawks and that is Gunston.
The full team defensive press is pretty much normal for most if not all bar 1 team.
I regularly see the opposition smalls in in D50 and their talls on the wings.

It's personnel that we don't have the leg speed to break lines and spread to open up opposition defences.
And most importantly we don't have the foot skills to do it anyway.
Surely you can see that.
That is not coaching.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:21 pm 
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Pros:

At least we kept scoring late in the game.
Much better scoring from defence/turnover.
Tackling pretty good.
Hayward and the forward line. Newman, Williams, Florent, Carroll and O. Hollands.
Hopefully our draft position will allow us to cash in this year with multiple elite talents, rather than having to burn our picks.

Cons:

Mentally shot. Continue to seize up late in games, and the coaches don’t have a clue how to solve it.
Set shot kicking. Should have put the game away in the 3rd quarter. Harry particularly guilty on the night. He’s been butchering his scoring opportunities all year.
Some of the handballing was very poor.
Don’t seem to be able to lock down on the opposition’s best midfielder. Which means as soon as our midfield loses control, we start to leak goals in a rush.
We always seem to have multiple passengers. This week it was Eljah, Cerra. Young, Haynes, Dean, Jagga.
I think Byrne will be the best small forward we’ve recruited in ages, but needs a rest, and Flynn Young deserves a go.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 10:06 am 
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Still amazes me that we drew even with the Pies pretty much having 17 men on the ground for 60% of the game.

How did we pull that off ?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 10:46 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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Why does Rob Innes escape supporter and media scrutiny? This is not a fit side. He literally has one job.


I’ve got my torch pointing straight at him.

This is his 2 nd year with the boys.

Did Austin select weak cattle?
Red ribbons at the show? Maybe Green?



part of the S & C role is player availability and injury management. and we have the best injury list we've had since ratten and bradley were playing. so that's a big departure in a really positive direction from the last decade ...


i think we are physically fit, but not emotionally and mentally fit. i know i harp on about this a bit. But i see elite endurance athletes at boxing. putting up obscene numbers on the beep test, and 400m, 1500m and 5km trials etc etc

... and they get into the ring and are gasses and cramping up after 2 rounds. maybe even hurling in between rounds 1 & 2.

i also see guys who can't run to the end of the street, yet can spar 10 rounds no problem. mental exhaustion, anxiety and of course fear wear you out much quicker than what one can aerobically exhaust (hope i'm making sense here).

if you can't stay composed, you can't stay in the fight.

i see us tighten up, i see guys out there not breathing. no leadership whatsoever is in their ear calming the farm, (not on the field or off it) and while the stress exponentiates, so does the fatigue & cramping.


different leaders, we'd see different results and i would bet my house, two dogs, car, motorbikes and my favourite signed Suns jersey on it.

i'm not sure we have drafted the onfield leaders we need, but the off field "leaders" need to go asap before permanent damage has been acquired.
Interesting insight.
And applicable.
That tightening up happened in the last. But what I did like was that more and more of our players then responded to that and kept trying to play with dare: Carroll was one.
And we shifted the momentum back (to still lose).
But for me that response was a positive.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 10:54 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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What a waste of energy and momentum when we consistently miss SET shots at goal 30-40 out. Thats on the players … and list manager.

Voss will be gone, but we need to improve our forward craft. Fix the fkn goal kicking routine for all forwards. It’s amateur hour when we sit in hope they kick straight. FMD it’s so obvious, year after year….fix it Harry. You’re on the list for another 4 years, and highly likely as our No 1 KPF, unless we can attract Geogiades or the like.


I get really irritated by Jeremy Cameron and his stupid little ball compression ceremony when he's got a set shot. Elicits a similar reaction to Rafa Nadal's arse pick-n-sniff. I should perhaps see a psychologist about this. But that aside, at least these blokes have a routine and deliver consistently. I noticed last night, H is all over the shop. Sometimes he spends 30 seconds debating whether to go around the body or go the drop punt. Sometimes he places the ball on the ground and wipes his hands, Sometimes he spins it around. Sometimes - and a lot of our guys do this - he just gazes off at the shot clock and then suddenly goes oh crap, I've got to kick it now. Everyone in our squad should be put on notice: choose a routine and replicate it EXACTLY on your next five set shots, otherwise you're delisted, cauliflower.

I've said this before, like golf which most of these boys play, you need to reset the brain and a routine does this.
I also read whey they press the ball and that is because they are not always inflated the same.
Maybe it is something they should all be doing, last night the kicking on both side was deplorable at times.
The pressing the ends of the footy is because there are approximately 5 new footies used in every game so they are hard, especially at the ends. This makes drop punts harder to control.
In the old days, a footy used to soften during the first quarter but now with all the footies, they don't.
That's why Cameron does it.
I've heard Fev talk about this in the past.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 11:41 am 
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Fair enough. But I reserve the right to still find it irritating :D


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 1:05 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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What a waste of energy and momentum when we consistently miss SET shots at goal 30-40 out. Thats on the players … and list manager.

Voss will be gone, but we need to improve our forward craft. Fix the fkn goal kicking routine for all forwards. It’s amateur hour when we sit in hope they kick straight. FMD it’s so obvious, year after year….fix it Harry. You’re on the list for another 4 years, and highly likely as our No 1 KPF, unless we can attract Geogiades or the like.


I get really irritated by Jeremy Cameron and his stupid little ball compression ceremony when he's got a set shot. Elicits a similar reaction to Rafa Nadal's arse pick-n-sniff. I should perhaps see a psychologist about this. But that aside, at least these blokes have a routine and deliver consistently. I noticed last night, H is all over the shop. Sometimes he spends 30 seconds debating whether to go around the body or go the drop punt. Sometimes he places the ball on the ground and wipes his hands, Sometimes he spins it around. Sometimes - and a lot of our guys do this - he just gazes off at the shot clock and then suddenly goes oh crap, I've got to kick it now. Everyone in our squad should be put on notice: choose a routine and replicate it EXACTLY on your next five set shots, otherwise you're delisted, cauliflower.

I've said this before, like golf which most of these boys play, you need to reset the brain and a routine does this.
I also read whey they press the ball and that is because they are not always inflated the same.
Maybe it is something they should all be doing, last night the kicking on both side was deplorable at times.
The pressing the ends of the footy is because there are approximately 5 new footies used in every game so they are hard, especially at the ends. This makes drop punts harder to control.
In the old days, a footy used to soften during the first quarter but now with all the footies, they don't.
That's why Cameron does it.
I've heard Fev talk about this in the past.

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That's the one.
I remember reading this article about Nick Larkey last year.
Either way, Harry needs a routine and maybe him doing this might be a key to it.

Quote:
"Sometimes, you can get a footy that's too pointy. That makes it harder to kick and distance-wise, it doesn't come off the boot as nice. So, I'll look at the ball and press it in if I see that it's too pointy to try and get a nicer, rounder shape."


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291484/inside-the-meticulous-routine-of-the-games-most-lethally-accurate-goalkicker-north-melbourne-star-nick-larkey


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https://x.com/3AWisfootball/status/2045331153582755984

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 7:21 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Why do we defend, with all 18 players, so deep? We just retreat and invite pressure that we’ve proven time and again that we can’t handle. Oppo moves the ball down field with no pressure and still hit up targets in their F50.

And the few times we try to run and carry from the back half we have no one to @#$%&! kick to. How many times are we streaming through the corridor and have to kick wide to the wing?

Coaching. System. Structure.

Appalling.

Were are not the only team that does it.
However, we are one of the teams that can't pull off the transition very well due to personnel.
We lost that game, not because of coaching, not because of umpiring but because of poor kicking.
It is as simple as that.


It’s personnel that we don’t have anyone forward?

The only team that I have seen and I could be wrong that keeps a player in F50 is the Hawks and that is Gunston.
The full team defensive press is pretty much normal for most if not all bar 1 team.
I regularly see the opposition smalls in in D50 and their talls on the wings.

It's personnel that we don't have the leg speed to break lines and spread to open up opposition defences.
And most importantly we don't have the foot skills to do it anyway.
Surely you can see that.
That is not coaching.
If you can't hit a target as an AFL player that is on you, they are professional athletes.


I know exactly what I see. I’ve seen us lose 26 of our last 38 games with a head coach that clearly can’t turn it around.

Blaming it ALL on the players is laughable and ignorant imho. But each to their own.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 8:51 pm 
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I know we all want an answer to all of this and have a desire to find a scapegoat that makes sense (and allows us to think there may be a simple solution which would be incredibly convenient) but isn’t it far more likely (though unpalatable) to just acknowledge it’s all of the above?

Poor drafting.
Poor trading.
Poor skills.
Poor attitudes.
Poor leadership.
Poor game plans.
Poor flexibility.
Poor assistant coaches.
Poor head coach.
Poor administration.
Poor club.

We pretty much tick every box.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 9:01 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
I know exactly what I see. I’ve seen us lose 26 of our last 38 games with a head coach that clearly can’t turn it around.

Blaming it ALL on the players is laughable and ignorant imho. But each to their own.

I don't think I am blaming it all on the players in general, but not understating the capabilities of the players in your own team is pretty ignorant.
But for this game Voss, the coaches, the doctors, the support staff, the administration staff all can't get out there and kick the footy for them.
Each to their own I guess. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2026 9:06 pm 
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GWS wrote:
I know we all want an answer to all of this and have a desire to find a scapegoat that makes sense (and allows us to think there may be a simple solution which would be incredibly convenient) but isn’t it far more likely (though unpalatable) to just acknowledge it’s all of the above?

Poor drafting.
Poor trading.
Poor skills.
Poor attitudes.
Poor leadership.
Poor game plans.
Poor flexibility.
Poor assistant coaches.
Poor head coach.
Poor administration.
Poor club.

We pretty much tick every box.

Pretty much. :thumbsup:


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Staggering comment from Wright

"We were aware he was struggling during the game"

WTF is going on at this football club?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2026 11:42 am 
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You were expecting a 'we had no idea'?

Just covering their arses...

But how fast did they discount drug/alcohol... did they test, are they allowed to?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2026 3:23 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Staggering comment from Wright

"We were aware he was struggling during the game"

WTF is going on at this football club?


You can read anything you want in that comment.

I don't find it "staggering" at all. If anything, I need more information to conclude what he was alluding to.

Maybe he implied the usual you'd expect in footy talk...."struggling .... [to get a kick] " . The obvious.
It is said every week.

No one knows.

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bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Staggering comment from Wright

"We were aware he was struggling during the game"

WTF is going on at this football club?


You can read anything you want in that comment.

I don't find it "staggering" at all. If anything, I need more information to conclude what he was alluding to.

Maybe he implied the usual you'd expect in footy talk...."struggling .... [to get a kick] " . The obvious.
It is said every week.

No one knows.



Struggling applies to the entire team since Opening Round.

:lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2026 3:28 pm 
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GWS wrote:
I know we all want an answer to all of this and have a desire to find a scapegoat that makes sense (and allows us to think there may be a simple solution which would be incredibly convenient) but isn’t it far more likely (though unpalatable) to just acknowledge it’s all of the above?

Poor drafting.
Poor trading.
Poor skills.
Poor attitudes.
Poor leadership.
Poor game plans.
Poor flexibility.
Poor assistant coaches.
Poor head coach.
Poor administration.
Poor club.

We pretty much tick every box.


You can make a case for all the above.
Not sure if failure of success in 2023 was because of the coach.
The list wasnt healthy in the end. Ran out of gas.

Right now, I have no doubt we will have a new coach in 2026....maybe he was a poor coach, maybe the personnel and the game plan went as far as it could go and didnt move with the times???

Basically we have been poor on and off the field since 2001. That's a long long time.

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