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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 8:11 am 
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After watching the Elijah Hollands fiasco last night if Wright is the person we all think he is he should call the recruiters , coach , medical staff, selection commitee, trainers and interchange attendant in and march the whole lot of them out the door.
It was a disgrace we recruited him
It was a disgrace we let players go to accommodate him
It was a disgrace we sacked him and reinstated him
IT was a disgrace he was allowed to play last night
It was a disgrace we kept him on the field as long as we did

And if Wright doesn't do anything about this then Preistley should sack Wright

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 8:13 am 
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He'd have been mad not to. We all knew it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 8:19 am 
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Why does Rob Innes escape supporter and media scrutiny? This is not a fit side. He literally has one job.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:00 am 
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I'm actually not even mad about the game last night. It was an improvement.

Like it or not, this is where we're at right now. All we can ask for is improvement.

Granted, I haven't seen the Elijah footage yet...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:17 am 
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Bailey smith would be a bit miffed if no fine issued. JK

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:21 am 
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I just don't get how coaching makes you concede 6 in three quarters and then 5 in five minutes, like, if it's all coaching then what is the tactical move opposing coaches make, why is it so effective and why do they only deploy it for 10-15 minutes per game, how do they decide when that moment should be? I mean, last week it was supposedly because Cripps was on the bench, why were we so utterly annihilated out of the centre for five minutes but not the rest of the game? All I see is self fulfilling prophecy, and if we'd come back to snatch this game we could have broken the spell, but it continues... yeah, this is where Carlton has sent me, talking prophecies and spells and spiritual mumbo jumbo...


Great post GE.

2nd half 10 minute slumps with an avalanche of goals from the opposition. Weird.
How a team struggles to kick 6 goals in 3/4ers then 5 in 10 minutes is beyond me.

Can’t be coaching. It happens spontaneously.

Last week in the 2 nd qtr I could see Pitto tiring
This week in the last Pitto was good to go but Steele came good.

The ruck role is so important.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:31 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Why does Rob Innes escape supporter and media scrutiny? This is not a fit side. He literally has one job.


This seems pretty obvious to me. But the last fitness bloke was a problem (and he was meant to be the best in the business). Maybe we just draft blokes that were really good juniors who don't have the drive to improve and present themselves appropriately for a professional comp.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:37 am 
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Heavs wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
Why does Rob Innes escape supporter and media scrutiny? This is not a fit side. He literally has one job.


This seems pretty obvious to me. But the last fitness bloke was a problem (and he was meant to be the best in the business). Maybe we just draft blokes that were really good juniors who don't have the drive to improve and present themselves appropriately for a professional comp.



our culture does not breed champions or winning.


cats, hawks, swans all do. but not us. not since the invent of the salary cap have we been any good at anything AFL & winning related.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:45 am 
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Collingwood scored 70 from turnover (49 for Carlton) with 66 scored from the forward half (23 for Carlton).

COLL scores from turnover in 2026 prior to last night:

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62
47
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52
39
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:54 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Walsh Cripps Williams Cerra were great, just lacked a bit of polish.

Harry missing set shots will continue to haunt us


You are joking right?! I'll give you Walsh but what game were you watching for the others?!.


I was just posting some thoughts as fillers, knowing I will be enlightened by your astute self when you come on.

We lost by 5 points. A game we should have won or at least drawn. Sure Harry and Byrne should have kicked straighter and extended our lead, but they didn’t take their opportunity. Forward skills failed us, again.

The game was won by one man, Nick Daicos. Freak.

Midfield did their job. I thought Cerra and Williams beat Noble and Crisp.

Walsh v Daicos. Walsh tried his guts out. Daicos can’t be tagged, legally.

If it wasn’t Nick Daicos who beat us, it was the momentum killers in front of goal. Forwards couldn’t reward the hard work and opportunities our mids created. Wasn’t just Harry and Byrne.

That’s the ball game.

Cripps vs Pendlebury played out well for both, neither dominating. Approx equal ground time. Cripps’ brute strength and endeavour to get ball out with handball or pushing ball along in our advantage was enormous. Pendlebury played more outside feeding his team mates. I couldn’t see anyone on our list who could play the inside role Cripps played. He worked hard. He wasn’t disgraced.

You see what you want to see. I saw endeavour, effort and synergy. The midfield connected. Handballs were hitting targets better than previous weeks. Other than Walsh, did the sky fall down for you?

We are not Carlton circa 1995. We have holes. We have lost 5 games in a row. We are carrying players with average skills. We have a few under 20 players. One player had zero touches in 60% game time….we had our best team in, and we lost by 5 points. It was a very good effort by 22 players. Half of the players wouldn’t be in any of the Top 10 teams imo. Welcome to circa 2026. This is our reality.

Credit where credit is due.

Enlighten me.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:56 am 
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Effes wrote:
https://x.com/tommorris32/status/2044752407306109009


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:00 am 
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I hope Worksafe absolutely rail the club after what happened last night.

Completely unprofessional and inappropriate to keep him on the field. What duty of care was taken to ensure he was right to return to the game? Was a HIA conducted to rule out a head injury, given the symptoms shown were at least consistent with one? Did the club knowingly send him back out if other issues were at play?

Significant failure of governance to not be able to identify the symptoms, to properly assess and manage the risk that clearly existed, and who was making those final decisions and based on what advice.

Embarrassing display. Essendon*/Hird levels.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:03 am 
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WOW wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Keithy wrote:
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Elijah = Zero Touches?????

His Mental Demons must be back to haunt him!! Don't be surprised if he takes an extended Leave!



On that effort he should be dropped next week with he’s brother to join him


Can't drop Ollie, he's the only one who can run out a game, witness all our forwards cramping up in Q4


Ollie Hollands is nowhere near it

Gets rag dolled and can’t kick

Can’t see a long term future for him


True

But what GE is pointing out is Ollie can run out 4 quarters. Think about that.
There’s something really wrong about that.

Issue is we could be worse off by dropping Ollie.

He tries his guts out all game. He’s not a stopper. He needs to know his limitations.
If he doesn’t stop taking the one step too far, and tidyup his kicking he won’t be just playing VFL, he will be on a VFL list.

Our team is made up of a handful of stars, a bunch of triers, and I’m not sure where half the others are at. Retirement? delisted? Hopefully replaced by better footballers.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:13 am 
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Carlton has its own 10 minutes where we could blow teams off the park but we don't.
The issue is not so much that teams have purple patches against us and score heavily.
The issue is that when we have our purple patches we do not take advantage of it and bury teams. We miss simple gettable goals and often when we have the dominance we fail to hit targets.

One on the commentators on Fox last night said let's see if Carlton can string more than one pass together. We missed the target on the first kick.

It is a basic skill to kick the ball or hit a hand passes from 3 metres. We have so many players on the list that can't do this.
It is a blight on the recruitment team that they draft players with poor skills.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:15 am 
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jim wrote:
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I just don't get how coaching makes you concede 6 in three quarters and then 5 in five minutes, like, if it's all coaching then what is the tactical move opposing coaches make, why is it so effective and why do they only deploy it for 10-15 minutes per game, how do they decide when that moment should be? I mean, last week it was supposedly because Cripps was on the bench, why were we so utterly annihilated out of the centre for five minutes but not the rest of the game? All I see is self fulfilling prophecy, and if we'd come back to snatch this game we could have broken the spell, but it continues... yeah, this is where Carlton has sent me, talking prophecies and spells and spiritual mumbo jumbo...
We've won 11 from 38, a bit to do with coaching.



Sure, but GE focus is on those 10 minute lapses. In the case against Swans it was the whole of the first quarter. Last week it was 10 minutes of the start of the third. All other games has seen a 10 minute fade out in the last.

I can buy our game plan is taxing, but you have to question if there’s more to it than just coaching for the short term lapses. I see skills, speed, fitness as player elements we need to improve on, in a big way.

What a waste of energy and momentum when we consistently miss SET shots at goal 30-40 out. Thats on the players … and list manager.

Voss will be gone, but we need to improve our forward craft. Fix the fkn goal kicking routine for all forwards. It’s amateur hour when we sit in hope they kick straight. FMD it’s so obvious, year after year….fix it Harry. You’re on the list for another 4 years, and highly likely as our No 1 KPF, unless we can attract Geogiades or the like.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:19 am 
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It is a basic skill to kick the ball or hit a hand passes from 3 metres. We have so many players on the list that can't do this.
It is a blight on the recruitment team that they draft players with poor skills.


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They were saying on commentary that Hayward used to kick balls at a target for hours to hone his kicking skills. While he has had a bit of a chequered start some of his foot skills last night were clearly well above others. Just saying



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:21 am 
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Dodo27 wrote:
This footage of Elijah is Insane... This is not a mental issue... He looks high on Drugs....How did the Club not notice him? how can they allow him to play?

How many chances do we give him??? Enough is Enough.... Check him into a mental Hospital, pay him out and Move on!!


This is a Scandal if this guy played tonight with some sort of substance abuse!!


You’re accusing him of being on drugs, without knowing what the issue is. Then you finish off asking if he is on drugs.

I felt he was not mentally right but I have no idea. It’s not a scandal.
Judge Jury Executioner. Come on Dodo? Fair suck of the sav.
Leave it to the experts. You’re a bit harsh.

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