We finished last season 4-8. We started this season 4-8. We've been very, very average over a considerable period of time. I've seen enough to know that Teague doesn't know what he's doing.

Is it time for a poll?

Mods, could you create a poll on whether Teague should stay or go?

I don't think sakcing him is gonna do much either.

Having said that I can't deal with another 12 games of this shit this season.

Another 12 seems wildly optimistic

teague took him out of the midfield and specifically told him he would be a half forward, if memory serves.

he needs to go back into the midfield to get a handball from our inside mids - he uses the ball brilliantly and will be wasted otherwise

wouldnt surprise me if he asked for a trade if he doesnt get midfield time

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my last one was rubbish

.........and absolutely thrive when he goes

We have enough kids, we need to start developing them and playing them in positions that are natural to them.

Win the next 10 home and away games and then 2 finals

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Our tradition demands success!

...and that's what its looked like for a long time.

I have heard that its a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Senior players who lobbied for Teague for Coach are influencing the coach, and selection of team.
Kids are pushed to the periphery, and some are not happy.

and we are not winning.

Review is needed to change this.
This is too big for a rookie coach.

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Its the midfield - our young midfielders are out of their depth. Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS, Cotterell, LOB - this is a list management issue. We have been yelling from the rooftops to fix the midfield and support Cripps for years...failed on getting Shiel and Coniglio and thank god for that. Got Williams and found out he can't play in the midfield. All other parts of the ground are sound imo. Its the midfield where we cant tackle and defend.To my reckoning we are three to four top quality players short of competing in the midfield.

Hate to say this, but Robbo seems to know a bit about what's going on behind closed doors.

He is pointing the finger at the players.

Last not on OTC Nick Reiwoldt said Carlton needs to send a message to the rest of the group and drop Murphy and Docherty.

I don't think dropping Docherty is the right thing.
He should be playing mid or midfield, and give up the captaincy.
He's not moving hearts and minds.

Its great that all the boys are good mates and like being together.
But they need someone to drop a bomb amongst the group.
They are conditional, and they are not playing AFL standard footy.

Where are the hard hits, the tackles, the blocks, the shepherds, the talk? There is non.
I was on the fence with a Aussie soccer player in Spain, and he could not believe the players do not talk at all.
The players have been allowed to develop these traits and that's what they have become; a product of their own making.

We failed to develop the high draft selections.
The new recruits Williams and saad go in hard and you can tell they were developed elsewhere.

Teague's game plan? That's another story.

No rebuild required.
Select players who want to play AFL at the standard expected.
Weed out the trouble makers.

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IMO

We have the bulk of the personnel we need to rise up the ladder. Get another ruckman to go with DeKoning ie replace Levi and Pitto.
A bonafide mid to go with Walsh. Unless Cripps lifts and improves his running game and handball skills, he's average, and just a bull in the contest. He can't kick goals except in AFLX.

A better game plan.
More avenues to goal.

No conditional players selected.
Pick players who want to stop and hurt the opposition.

A few more

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None of these players are good enough to play in GWS midfield and we are facing GWS next.

I disagree. I do not think the players we have are not up to it. I think its more above the shoulders and that can be fixed. It's amazing what a dose of confidence can do.

Rendell on SEN said

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/10/will-teague-be-coaching-carlton-in-2022/

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You cant yell at players when morale is down or you're beating a dead horse has no impact and lose dressing room.

Bolton has yelling at his players after a loss in the Clarko style and lost his job because of it - simple man management when morale is low you must and have to encourage players and work them hard.

And how is Teague's patting on the back, she'll be right mate attitude going for us?
We need a hard coaching mindset and if the players can't handle that, then move them on.
Simple, we're not running a child care facility.

Agree 100%

You can't move on the players... you can't yell at them all the time - . Being a hard ass is easy and needs to be done properly - its imperative the coach has close relationships with players.. their best football will come when morale and confidence is high.

How's that working for us?
It sounds like your solution is to let the tail wag the dog.
And you can move on the players, it's what the top clubs do all the time.
They either buy into the clubs plan and culture or they're out, something we are yet to do since moving on Robbo and Garlett.
You can't win premierships with hugs and feel good stories.

The best coach I had, I hated him.
But he still got us to win games and be successful.
Your fellow players are your mates.