keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
You wouldn't have gone after Williams. Okay, we disagree.
I think Williams has been really good so far and will get better. I also think its silly to guess what we pay. We do not know - the media does not know, it's a game to sell papers, that is all. As long as we spend what we can and bank what we can't, I don't give a rat's.
Take Martin, you take his whole contract (in context of all our contracts) not 1 year (and ignoring all our other contracts) - but that mightn't suit your argument.
The Australian reported that he is on 4.8 million over 6 years plus incentives.
GWS offered $700000 a season. By paying overs we therefore didn’t have to hand pick 8 to them which we did for Saad.
Before COVID Martin was in on 1.1 million in 2020 front ended and then around 600000 a season after that. Clearly the club planned to land some big fish in the 2020 trade period
But how good are Martin and Williams
Both players have not been all Australian
Haven’t got near a best and fairest
It’s short term thinking
Williams was ok Sunday. Just ok
As I said given the long term nature and the size of the contracts it may come to bite us later on
keogh, you're seeing what you want to see, and say what you want to suit your agends.
I don't want to hound you, because some of the stuff you say I agree with, but this stuff about recent spends, the $ value, and the quality of the recruit are not helpful for intelligent discussion.
We have to recruit top end players, and yes all 3 have been.
We have to spend out 100-105% or we lose it.
We have to keep front loading to make our 90%.
The Australian figures are exaggerated, with the exception of the first year.
They multiplied the first year payment (front end), by the length of the contract, and assumed that's the number. Magic.
Since when did you start believing the News publications?
Williams is a fantastic acqusition for us. Fantastic. Have a look at the numbers...and Ive got him ahead of Cripps over first 3 rounds, but that's my opinion. He adds are hard edge and manic attack on man and ball; something we have missing, big time.
Saad is a fantastic acquisition for us. The opposition have kept a watchful eye on stopping him getting loose. That happens. but his ability to dispose of the ball, keeping in play under duress, is quite unique amongth the whole AFL not just Carlton.
It was part of the plan to top up such was the brilliance in creating our 105% of our salary cap for consistent years. We can spend what we need to keep topping up from now on, because I don't think half of SOS' first rounders are going to make it.
We are a destination club, Salary cap keeps going up (Covid reductions were proportionate across the whole AFL, but will be revived when the country's majority are vaccinated.
Now back to your good arguments.
Nothing stopping us from recruiting mature age players, and we should.
SOS rebuild is questionable because of failures with our mids drafted Dow, OBrien now in their 4th years haven't really excelled....plus question marks on Cuningham and kennedy.
Club cultural issues which may have been addressed and those which haven't.
Mind you, I'm a business man, and know that theories without $ are just that, and I am grateful we have Pratts and Mathisons on our side, who don't interfere like you think, because all other clubs have got them too. Thes eare the pockets of money you go to when in need AND if we want to create other revnue streams within the AFL guidelines. Pokie machines will soon be a thing of the past.
Lets get to a bird in the hand, and what we need to do to continue to get up the ladder: and we will, this year.
I want to see another 2 recruits per year, for nest 2 years like Williams and Saad and cut the duds and those we have replaced with better players (like Williams and saad...and Fogarty and Austin should be congratulated).
We have no debt, we are not broke, and we STILL have heaps of room in our salary cap to spend AGAIN THIS YEAR.
All we need is for the AFL soft cap to be lifter post pandemic...and it will be lifted. We have come from a loooong way behind, and nearly caught up...just have to work out who the deadwood are, moving forward.
Come on. Get on board ... and keep the bastards honest, without belittling and devaluing the good players we have in OUR stable. Its pointless and unrealistic.