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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:19 pm 
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/womens-afl/afl-womens-2021-aflw-2021-sign-and-trade-period-trade-news-blog-wrap-done-deals-latest-news/news-story/13e67ddd8d8f0a7a0c44e1d687c3273d



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Jess Dal Pos is expected to be traded from GWS to Carlton, while Katie Loynes and Chloe Dalton are likely to end up at the Giants.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:47 pm 
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ianh wrote:
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Blue Vain wrote:
Collingwood missing the GF and as a consequence, Bree Davey not having a chance to play in a premiership this year.
Thank @#$%&! for that.



The Aaron Hamill of our women’s team.

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I think it is harsh wwhen the reality is that the offer from Collingwood enabled her to be a professional sportswoman and ours fell short of that. Fair way away from the "do I take a mere $1.1m pa to stay" "dilemma" some of the men are facing.



Nice insight Ian. It look s like Carlton are tight arses.
I know nothing about salary cap constraints, but understand the 3 tiers of pay.

I thought we did really well with the Trade. 2 first rounders???
The team did well with Brianne coming back from a knee reaching a Prelim before covid closed it down.
Maybe the List manger over estimated the quality of our list, and thought the first pick would add value?

Losing the 2 players running rugby players to Olympic duties bloody hurt, but surely list manager could see that coming.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:50 pm 
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Tayla Harris' manager asking price was asking for $150,000.
The 2 parties couldn't come to an agreement for the Marquee Player

Harris plus pick 44 for pick 32.

Has our Liist manager got rocks in his/her head?

That's a steal.

Why?

Is this typical New age Carlton negotiating?

Its stupid on the surface.

I want answers

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:53 pm 
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So Tayla wasn't worth Pick 32 to Melbourne.

Geez, her manager had tickets on her.

or

Carlton wanted to see the back of her asap after her dismal 2921 performance.

Edit above. Should read "pathetic" performance on good money. She robbed us, or she would have wanted to make up for letting the club and her team mates down.

I think she gave away more frees than she got disposals

Good luck to dees. I hope she brings them down too.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
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Harris was a liability this season and in all honesty I think for her footy is just a pay-cheque between boxing bouts, take the trade and run.

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And now Hosking wants out.


https://womens.afl/news/72717


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CHAOS has surrounded the 2pm AEST deadline of the AFLW Sign and Trade Period, with Jess Hosking requesting a trade to Richmond...

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:29 pm 
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Harris was a liability this season and in all honesty I think for her footy is just a pay-cheque between boxing bouts, take the trade and run.


I agree.

But, I feel like we should have got more

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:32 pm 
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And now Hosking wants out.


https://womens.afl/news/72717


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CHAOS has surrounded the 2pm AEST deadline of the AFLW Sign and Trade Period, with Jess Hosking requesting a trade to Richmond...


WTF

What's going on?

I thought we were a destination club.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:27 pm 
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WTF is the List manager doing trading Jesse Hosking for peanuts.

Giving away another Top 10 experienced player for Pick 23 & 40 and giving the Tigers 55 & 57.

One of the rare types who are very physical at the contest.

That should be a 1st round pick exchange. Period.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:33 pm 
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2 Top 10 Experienced players should have got us 2 First round Picks.

One team topping up for a Flag.
One team wanting to get up the ladder with bonafide Heart and soul player.

Tayla Harris & pick 44 for pick 32
Jess Hosking 55 & 57 for picks 23 & 40

Someone please convince me this is a good deal and the list manager knows what they are doing.
Good luck convincing me.

This club is [REDACTED], Munro thinks they he's playing Monopoly.

You picked up pick 23 and 32. You want me to clap?
WTF are you going to do with those picks?

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:35 pm 
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Jess Hosking to Richmond

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:38 pm 
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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/955155/blues-acquire-further-top-end-vic-picks-in-hosking-trade

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“All our discussions with Jess since the end of the season had centred around her re-signing with the Club however yesterday she informed us of her intentions to seek a trade,” Munro said.

“That was obviously really disappointing as we have strong belief in Jess as a player and her qualities as a person,


and this is how he spins those 2 Trades...

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“The result is that we now have the opportunity to select three of the best 13 Victorian talent in this year’s draft which is a terrific opportunity.


Yeah? And you want me to believe this?

You've lost me, thinking I'm going to buy that sort of spin.



He gave away the best player in the comp because he didnt want to pay, now this.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
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"the best player in the comp"

A slight stretch.....

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Seems a strange trade period. Loynes, Harris and Hosking out. Not a lot coming in on face value. At least were consistent across the club. Men's or women's, we're a mess

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:40 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
"the best player in the comp"

A slight stretch.....


What are you talking about? I'm talking about Brianne Davey.

Brianne Davey just won this years Best and Fairest Award ie the women's version of the Brownlow Medal.

She was considered the best player in the comp before she did her knee vs GWS in round 2 2018.
She was our captain.
She captained our team to the Prelim GF, and who knows we were on a roll before the comp was a covid victim.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:45 am 
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Carlton's Trade Period rated ar the worst of the lot

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Recruits: Jess Dal Pos (GWS)

Out: Tayla Harris (Melbourne), Jess Hosking (Richmond), Chloe Dalton (GWS), Katie Loynes (GWS), Alison Downie, Jess Edwards, Winnie Laing (delisted)

Current draft picks: 10, 11, 23, 26, 40, 58

Carlton – having already lost Chloe Dalton and Tayla Harris – was blindsided by Jess Hosking's 11th-hour trade request to Richmond. The Blues, who were already a relatively young side, have now been forced to the draft, having only brought in Jess Dal Pos during the Trade Period. Regardless of her performance this year, Harris will be a loss, having always drawn the opposition's No.1 defender. Dalton is also a big blow, but Dal Pos should slot in with ease considering her pre-AFLW connections to some of her teammates.

Trade rating: 3/10


https://womens.afl/news/72727

Like the mens team, they need more mids to help out Prespakis. McEvoy is one who could step up, but like our mens we need some speed in the midfield group.

They had to get some high end talent to the group for next season to create some momentum and open a window. If not, there's always a chance, like the Hosking girls, Prespakis may want to join childhood team, Effendruggies* for their inaugral year.

This year's trade and the spin is a big fail from me too.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:14 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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"the best player in the comp"

A slight stretch.....


What are you talking about? I'm talking about Brianne Davey.

Brianne Davey just won this years Best and Fairest Award ie the women's version of the Brownlow Medal.

She was considered the best player in the comp before she did her knee vs GWS in round 2 2018.
She was our captain.
She captained our team to the Prelim GF, and who knows we were on a roll before the comp was a covid victim.

Sorry, thought you were talking about Tayla.

Still, there's a big difference between giving up the best player in the comp, and giving up a player who became the best in the comp.

It's like saying we gave up one of the greatest FF's of the modern era to get Chris Judd, when the reality is that we gave up a kid with potential but had yet to show any payoff.

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 Post subject: Re: AFLW2021
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:48 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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"the best player in the comp"

A slight stretch.....


What are you talking about? I'm talking about Brianne Davey.

Brianne Davey just won this years Best and Fairest Award ie the women's version of the Brownlow Medal.

She was considered the best player in the comp before she did her knee vs GWS in round 2 2018.
She was our captain.
She captained our team to the Prelim GF, and who knows we were on a roll before the comp was a covid victim.

Sorry, thought you were talking about Tayla.

Still, there's a big difference between giving up the best player in the comp, and giving up a player who became the best in the comp.

It's like saying we gave up one of the greatest FF's of the modern era to get Chris Judd, when the reality is that we gave up a kid with potential but had yet to show any payoff.


Still, its debatable if she is the best in the comp despite winning the Medal. Opinions.

Bottom line, one of the best or the best, Brianne was a game changer, and Munro gave her away because he didn't want to pay the price, prefering to go for a rebuild?? Is this a normal Carlton thing? Rebuild after rebuild, during rebuild?

FFS we were on the cusp of a GF and guess what, they player Munro traded out, Brianne, took the Magpies to a GF, because like SOS with Saad, he was TOO tight and didn't have the nous to know what a good investment, let alone a return (in Tayla and Jess' situation). Thank god they lost it.

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Posted this in the Jess Hosking thread.. Better here...
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Wow... We better have a strategy....

Tigers getting tough runners in while we stick with skinny underdeveloped kids!??
(Mmmm... Sounds familiar)

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bondiblue wrote:
Carlton's Trade Period rated ar the worst of the lot

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Recruits: Jess Dal Pos (GWS)

Out: Tayla Harris (Melbourne), Jess Hosking (Richmond), Chloe Dalton (GWS), Katie Loynes (GWS), Alison Downie, Jess Edwards, Winnie Laing (delisted)

Current draft picks: 10, 11, 23, 26, 40, 58

Carlton – having already lost Chloe Dalton and Tayla Harris – was blindsided by Jess Hosking's 11th-hour trade request to Richmond. The Blues, who were already a relatively young side, have now been forced to the draft, having only brought in Jess Dal Pos during the Trade Period. Regardless of her performance this year, Harris will be a loss, having always drawn the opposition's No.1 defender. Dalton is also a big blow, but Dal Pos should slot in with ease considering her pre-AFLW connections to some of her teammates.

Trade rating: 3/10


https://womens.afl/news/72727

Like the mens team, they need more mids to help out Prespakis. McEvoy is one who could step up, but like our mens we need some speed in the midfield group.

They had to get some high end talent to the group for next season to create some momentum and open a window. If not, there's always a chance, like the Hosking girls, Prespakis may want to join childhood team, Effendruggies* for their inaugral year.

This year's trade and the spin is a big fail from me too.





We should calm the farm a little bit - these next few drafts are going to be the girls that have come through playing football from Auskick junior level - the more picks we have the better.

You will see less and less “cross coders” coming through and dominating the competition and hopefully less of them entering the competition and more and more “true footballers” taking precedence.


We’re going to get some really good players with those picks.


It’s the right thing to do.

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