The benefits of dominating the clearances and particularly the centre clearances far out weigh what you might get in additional run.
Must stick with the 2 rucks.
The more time TDK spends in the front half the better he will get.

We can beat these old men

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The benefits of dominating the clearances and particularly the centre clearances far out weigh what you might get in additional run.

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From everything I’ve heard, this is statistically incorrect. All you hear from the stats gurus these days is that scoring from turnover is the recipe for premiership success. I assume it’s because on turnover your forward line in open and the opposition doesn’t have their defence set, so you get far easier looks, as opposed to stoppage where both teams will usually have their defensive structures set up.

But, ideal world is we can do both. Yesterday In the first half we dominated clearances but got slaughtered on the turnover. I think we outscored them by 3 goals from the centre bounce but they outscored us by 6-8 goals on turnover. Something like that.

In the second half we continued to dominated stoppages but also outscored them by 6 goals on turnover. No surprise this coincided with our pressure rating going from 150 to 240+

If we can achieve a 240+ pressure rating with 2 rucks who are both performing and impacting the game, then yeah let’s keep it going


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i hope you're right - i feel like it's too early to go all in on it. in a more broader context, we've played two rucks for about a dozen games now, and it's only worked once. last night.

two trains of thought here.

a) the big boys finally learned how to play together and turned the corner.

b) they got lucky last night?


having manic pressure at the feet of the big guys helps, and that help is kinda on the way at some point. fogerty over owies, motlop over durdin.

Stewart missing is a huge bonus. Plus I saw something of Cameron throwing his leg out and tripping someone. Could be interesting.
From memory Williams had a knock to the achilles previously and ruptured it the next week so I'd consider resting him. Not really expecting anyone back but hopefully Cincotta has a big one today. Matt Kennedy had a great game yesterday but he's a stop gap defender IMHO. His value is forward/mid.
Someone has to go to Meiers and stick with him. Possibly Boyd but I'm not sure he has the stamina to run with him.

The MC and the team are working it well. They all are aligned that our game plan (incl when and how we use two ruckman) is a work in progress.

Braithy, I’d like to understand your comment - we’ve had two rucks now for about a dozen contests and it’s worked once……not sure about that. Might be worth understanding what ‘working’ means. We seem to be winning games of football

I like attending them. But if you're home alone with a 6yo, 4yo and a 10mo dog during witching hour...They're a @#$%&! nightmare.

last season we persisted with tdk and pittonet for around a dozen games - would have been more only injuries, and then last week of course. Of all those games we've lost 10 to my memory, with the only two wins, narrow pantshitting affairs in the finals where it was more sheer will and guts that got us the win, over it being a tactically sound and competitive way of playing.

losing = not working?

To your point, losing - means not working, I’m confused by your argument. Taking the last 5 home and away games of last year as one reference point - 1 loss (to GWS) and 4 wins. Pitto and TDK played together in the 4 wins and TDK was solo in the loss.

I am a big believer that we are learning and the right mix will vary week to week. However, your are not misrepresnting the facts correctly suggesting it’s only been a losing formula (2 rucks) prior to this week

i hope you're right - i feel like it's too early to go all in on it. in a more broader context, we've played two rucks for about a dozen games now, and it's only worked once. last night.

two trains of thought here.

a) the big boys finally learned how to play together and turned the corner.

b) they got lucky last night?


having manic pressure at the feet of the big guys helps, and that help is kinda on the way at some point. fogerty over owies, motlop over durdin.

Correct. And of those 4 wins, Harry played in 1. So we played with a ruck, forward/ruck and another key forward.
Exactly what we had in the first 4 wins of this year as well.



I agree, he's not he's not misrepresenting the facts.

I think you need to back up your wild claims with stats. The Melbourne finals game springs to mind immediately

last season we persisted with tdk and pittonet for around a dozen games - would have been more only injuries, and then last week of course. Of all those games we've lost 10 to my memory, with the only two wins, narrow pantshitting affairs in the finals where it was more sheer will and guts that got us the win, over it being a tactically sound and competitive way of playing.

losing = not working?

Your memory is a little off. 11 wins, 4 losses in their 15 games together since the beginning of 2023. At least that’s what I get from a quick scan of AFL Tables.

Well there you go, I didn't know he was of wales

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