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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:48 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dow was given a one year contract extension for 2023
To not even consider him ahead of O’ Brien and Honeyis farcical


Should be be selecting players on how or when they received contract extensions?

After showing some promiseHoney has gone downhill
OBrien is simply not AFL standard
Dow has been very ordinary at AFL level but he has been the best player in the twos
We are crying out for some leg speed
Why give a guy a contract and not pick him when it’s warranted
With Saad out we have less leg speed

As a question Keogh, did you watch the VFL on the weekend?


No
I looked at the stats
Does it matter
Clearly the team lacks leg speed
Dow has that
Frankly I reckon we should have delisted him and OBrien in the past but they are on the list
We have 10 guys out injured
I count 11 guys on our list who didn’t play last week
Who could be selected
Players like
O’ Keefe
Mirkov
Lemmey
Akeui
Your not going to pick for obvious reasons
Fogarty isn’t setting the world on fire
That’s 6 guys fighting for a spot
And Dow has consistently been are best player in the twos so far this season
OBrien and Honey and Plowman get more opportunities and consequently are witches hats in the seniors
On the bases of pure integrity of selection process Dow deserves a few weeks of senior footy
Kemp comes in for Plowman no brainer
Dow for Saad
Binns if he continues to rack’ em up gets a shot at in a few weeks
The Saints are quick particularly at Marvel


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:49 pm 
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I really, really dislike St Kilda.

Same as me. I have always disliked them, even when they were crap.



I hate St Kilda since the 80's. They took all the players from us heading into retirement. Marcou, Sheldon, McConville, Jones etc etc

They havent stopped doing it till this day.

They only wish they were us. And i think its why they really go hard on games against us, and are so successful in beating us as they thrive on beating the team they wanna and aspire to be.

I hate them very passionately as i do North Melbourne. Just nothing teams really.

At least I hate Collingwood but there is a bit of respect there. Against St Kilda and North i have NO respect for them at ALL.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:49 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dow was given a one year contract extension for 2023
To not even consider him ahead of O’ Brien and Honeyis farcical


Should be be selecting players on how or when they received contract extensions?

After showing some promiseHoney has gone downhill
OBrien is simply not AFL standard
Dow has been very ordinary at AFL level but he has been the best player in the twos
We are crying out for some leg speed
Why give a guy a contract and not pick him when it’s warranted
With Saad out we have less leg speed


O'Brien is finished. He's being selected emergency IMO because they're happy to use him as substitute. They don't care if he gets a quarter per game.
Dow on the other hand can work on his deficiencies in the VFL. He's probably gone as well but at least he has 20 games to turn it around. He's getting every opportunity. Playing him as sub or giving him 10 minute stints in the AFL midfield does him no favours.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:51 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dow was given a one year contract extension for 2023
To not even consider him ahead of O’ Brien and Honeyis farcical


Should be be selecting players on how or when they received contract extensions?

After showing some promiseHoney has gone downhill
OBrien is simply not AFL standard
Dow has been very ordinary at AFL level but he has been the best player in the twos
We are crying out for some leg speed
Why give a guy a contract and not pick him when it’s warranted
With Saad out we have less leg speed


Well Dow and Saad play different parts of the ground.
Dow isn't a great gut runner so asking him to run back and play defensive side generating run is silly.
I liked some of what I saw of Dow in pre season, he seemed stronger and his handballing was neat, but clearly the coaches know more than us and are not happy to play him, even with a slow midfield.
I mean Hewett and Kennedy are really off, and Cripps has only played 1 good game lately, the fact they don't play Dow is telling ... telling you something .


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:52 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dow was given a one year contract extension for 2023
To not even consider him ahead of O’ Brien and Honeyis farcical


Should be be selecting players on how or when they received contract extensions?

After showing some promiseHoney has gone downhill
OBrien is simply not AFL standard
Dow has been very ordinary at AFL level but he has been the best player in the twos
We are crying out for some leg speed
Why give a guy a contract and not pick him when it’s warranted
With Saad out we have less leg speed


O'Brien is finished. He's being selected emergency IMO because they're happy to use him as substitute. They don't care if he gets a quarter per game.
Dow on the other hand can work on his deficiencies in the VFL. He's probably gone as well but at least he has 20 games to turn it around. He's getting every opportunity. Playing him as sub or giving him 10 minute stints in the AFL midfield does him no favours.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:53 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dow was given a one year contract extension for 2023
To not even consider him ahead of O’ Brien and Honeyis farcical


Should be be selecting players on how or when they received contract extensions?

After showing some promiseHoney has gone downhill
OBrien is simply not AFL standard
Dow has been very ordinary at AFL level but he has been the best player in the twos
We are crying out for some leg speed
Why give a guy a contract and not pick him when it’s warranted
With Saad out we have less leg speed

As a question Keogh, did you watch the VFL on the weekend?


No
I looked at the stats
Does it matter
Clearly the team lacks leg speed
Dow has that
Frankly I reckon we should have delisted him and OBrien in the past but they are on the list
We have 10 guys out injured
I count 11 guys on our list who didn’t play last week
Who could be selected
Players like
O’ Keefe
Mirkov
Lemmey
Akeui
Your not going to pick for obvious reasons
Fogarty isn’t setting the world on fire
That’s 6 guys fighting for a spot
And Dow has consistently been are best player in the twos so far this season
OBrien and Honey and Plowman get more opportunities and consequently are witches hats in the seniors
On the bases of pure integrity of selection process Dow deserves a few weeks of senior footy
Kemp comes in for Plowman no brainer
Dow for Saad
Binns if he continues to rack’ em up gets a shot at in a few weeks
The Saints are quick particularly at Marvel


You don't play players just because they have some semblance of speed.
David Clarke says hi.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:55 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dow was given a one year contract extension for 2023
To not even consider him ahead of O’ Brien and Honeyis farcical


Should be be selecting players on how or when they received contract extensions?

After showing some promiseHoney has gone downhill
OBrien is simply not AFL standard
Dow has been very ordinary at AFL level but he has been the best player in the twos
We are crying out for some leg speed
Why give a guy a contract and not pick him when it’s warranted
With Saad out we have less leg speed

As a question Keogh, did you watch the VFL on the weekend?


No
I looked at the stats
Does it matter
Clearly the team lacks leg speed
Dow has that
Frankly I reckon we should have delisted him and OBrien in the past but they are on the list
We have 10 guys out injured
I count 11 guys on our list who didn’t play last week
Who could be selected
Players like
O’ Keefe
Mirkov
Lemmey
Akeui
Your not going to pick for obvious reasons
Fogarty isn’t setting the world on fire
That’s 6 guys fighting for a spot
And Dow has consistently been are best player in the twos so far this season
OBrien and Honey and Plowman get more opportunities and consequently are witches hats in the seniors
On the bases of pure integrity of selection process Dow deserves a few weeks of senior footy
Kemp comes in for Plowman no brainer
Dow for Saad
Binns if he continues to rack’ em up gets a shot at in a few weeks
The Saints are quick particularly at Marvel

Yes, it does matter.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:57 pm 
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Look we need to get back to winning the contest and esp in the centre. If we don't it'll be a long year.
We looked fast last year because we won the ball and got it forward instantly.
We are mediocre (despite the ladder position) because that has been taken away from us.
Coach has backed Hewett in clearly. Guy needs to lift.
So does our midfield coach. The ruck-mids connectivity has sucked big time.
We are a shadow of the team we were when we were flying and in the last 2 games of 2022 when we played hard contested footy.
Cripps needs to lift. Let us all hope he is over his injury, whatever it is.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:01 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Look we need to get back to winning the contest and esp in the centre. If we don't it'll be a long year.
We looked fast last year because we won the ball and got it forward instantly.
We are mediocre (despite the ladder position) because that has been taken away from us.
Coach has backed Hewett in clearly. Guy needs to lift.
So does our midfield coach. The ruck-mids connectivity has sucked big time.
We are a shadow of the team we were when we were flying and in the last 2 games of 2022 when we played hard contested footy.
Cripps needs to lift. Let us all hope he is over his injury, whatever it is.

100%
This is the start and end of the problem for the team.
Having Pitto out is a huge issue every time, people under estimate first hands on the ball.
This is where TDK needs to step up or step off.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:49 pm 
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If you look at the first 5 games we have been ordinary
Richmond have been crap all year
Geelong were still in party mode when we played them GWS are crap in arguably the worst game of the season so far. North are coming from a long way back and had no key defenders and we won by 4 goals
You can only hide the fact that the list has still enormous deficiencies

The loss of Docherty and Mc Govern last week was crucial
Both are good ball users from defense
Not quick but with the ball in their hands the pill can move forward quickly and effectively from the back
Saad provides the run
But even with these 3 guys in the team the speed in which the ball comes out from defence isn’t quick enough
Weitering Young Plowman Newman aren’t quick and don’t run and carry enough
The better teams have most defenders carrying the pill
Consequently we are easily played against
With 2 out we are in serious trouble
Why not try Dow at half back
Give him license to run
He wouldn’t be the first player to have his career saved by moving to the backline
Look at McGovern


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:55 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Look we need to get back to winning the contest and esp in the centre. If we don't it'll be a long year.
We looked fast last year because we won the ball and got it forward instantly.
We are mediocre (despite the ladder position) because that has been taken away from us.
Coach has backed Hewett in clearly. Guy needs to lift.
So does our midfield coach. The ruck-mids connectivity has sucked big time.
We are a shadow of the team we were when we were flying and in the last 2 games of 2022 when we played hard contested footy.
Cripps needs to lift. Let us all hope he is over his injury, whatever it is.


Your miss the point
You can’t win the contested ball every week
You can’t win the clearances every week
If we don’t we are rooted
Other teams have worked us out and we are easily played against
It’s been like this from round 11 last year
This is why given what’s available in the twos it’s hard to understand why you so not pick Dow because he is generally quick
Kennedy was playing half back last week
He was ok but no run and carry


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:08 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Look we need to get back to winning the contest and esp in the centre. If we don't it'll be a long year.
We looked fast last year because we won the ball and got it forward instantly.
We are mediocre (despite the ladder position) because that has been taken away from us.
Coach has backed Hewett in clearly. Guy needs to lift.
So does our midfield coach. The ruck-mids connectivity has sucked big time.
We are a shadow of the team we were when we were flying and in the last 2 games of 2022 when we played hard contested footy.
Cripps needs to lift. Let us all hope he is over his injury, whatever it is.

100%
This is the start and end of the problem for the team.
Having Pitto out is a huge issue every time, people under estimate first hands on the ball.
This is where TDK needs to step up or step off.

Yep. If we can win the stoppage/clearance battle, especially at centre bounce, we give our key forwards 1 on 1s (which they rarely seem to get) and we can control how the game is played. I’ll back our forwards to score with some direct ball use and 6-6-6 out of the middle stopping Ross from pushing men behind the ball.

Conversely, if we get beaten around the stoppages/clearances, it’ll be a long day. We’ll need to start our score chains from half back without Doc and Saad. Pies excel at transition footy from half back and Ross kept them to 70 odd points. We won’t fare well if the game is starting from our half back line.

Voss should have read our midfielders the riot act after last week so let’s see what they’ve got by way of response.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:48 pm 
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For those who are jittery about Sunday's game.
This should help: we have Nathan (#22) umpiring :banghead: .
Go Blues!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:54 pm 
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DeKoning Saad Plowman Out. LOB Sub


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:04 pm 
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Don't they name the sub on the day?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:07 pm 
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Don't they name the sub on the day?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:08 pm 
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keogh wrote:
If you look at the first 5 games we have been ordinary
Richmond have been crap all year
Geelong were still in party mode when we played them GWS are crap in arguably the worst game of the season so far. North are coming from a long way back and had no key defenders and we won by 4 goals
You can only hide the fact that the list has still enormous deficiencies

The loss of Docherty and Mc Govern last week was crucial
Both are good ball users from defense
Not quick but with the ball in their hands the pill can move forward quickly and effectively from the back
Saad provides the run
But even with these 3 guys in the team the speed in which the ball comes out from defence isn’t quick enough
Weitering Young Plowman Newman aren’t quick and don’t run and carry enough
The better teams have most defenders carrying the pill
Consequently we are easily played against
With 2 out we are in serious trouble
Why not try Dow at half back
Give him license to run
He wouldn’t be the first player to have his career saved by moving to the backline
Look at McGovern

This is why you need to watch the VFL.
Dow lacks a defensive side and defensive run, there is no way he can be a defender.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:11 pm 
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Round 6 team v St Kilda

Backs: Jacob Weitering - Nic Newman - Lewis Young

Half-backs: Alex Cincotta - Mitch McGovern - Blake Acres

Centreline: Sam Walsh - Patrick Cripps - Ollie Hollands

Half-forwards: Zac Fisher - Harry McKay - Jack Silvagni

Forwards: Corey Durdin - Charlie Curnow - Jesse Motlop

Followers: Marc Pittonet - George Hewett - Adam Cerra

Interchange: Lachie Cowan - Ed Curnow - Josh Honey - Matthew Kennedy

Emergencies: Tom De Koning - Brodie Kemp - Lochie O'Brien - Lachie Plowman


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:12 pm 
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How do you know LOB is sub? Good outs, otherwise... Saad is a bad out, I mean of the ones where we had a choice.


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