Only have to watch the first few games this year to how important it was to us

It always has been .

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Its no wonder why we are not that strong in the midfield now as i think TDK is tiring. We should have addressed this in the midseason instead of taking Hayes. Even just to give TDK and JSOS a break for goodness sakes. The midseason draft is for this reason and not necessarily to get a player that will be on our list forever.

mmmm, sending him off to get his hip bones shaved so that he did not have hip problems down the track is a bit of a red flag from a club perspective. Any surgery on currently functioning body parts is not ideal.

His ACL was Bret Thornton’s fault, if Kreuzer wasn’t having to run back to go into that pack to effect the spoil on the opponent that Thornton had left - then he would never have done his ACL, well at least at that particular instant.

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100% spot on. Nothing against Hayes but we have adequate cover in his position. We don't have any cover in the ruck position. TDK goes down and we are beyond screwed. More screwed than if another key defender goes down. Thankfully it looks like Pitto's return is imminent so we may just get through on this one but it was a massive roll of the dice.
No other club would have taken Hayes. If we were still keen on him at the end of the season, could have taken with a late draft pick or rookie pick.

I don’t want to say something just in case I say something but with the way our injury curse has been running this year, you know what is going to happen the moment that Pittonet returns.

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Is he tiring though?

He has had his 3 highest hitout totals for the season over the last 4 weeks.

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Straight into the opposition bread basket, with bugger all follow up. When he does get one to advantage, it’s nullified by his direct opponent laying a tackle or mitigated with a pressure act against the clearance.

Nankervis - 21 PA, 5 T
Sauce - 11 PA, 9 T
Cameron - 8 PA, 6 T

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I didn't say they were all effective hitouts, just questioned whether he was tiring.

To me it looks like our midfielders are not positioning themselves well enough or moving as quickly at the centre bounces. It's likely that it is a combination of both, but you can hardly point the finger solely at TDK for our drop off in centre clearances.

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Maybe the midfielders haven't been holding their ground.
Either giving away front position, or getting easily pushed in close to the ruckmen, effectively getting squeezed out from drop of ball.

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He’s three weeks away from playing… his knee is fully recovered

Mirkov, if he gets there, is a long-way off from being able to play at a senior level - that’s the opinion of one of his teammates. That being the case, effectively only 2 rucks on the list, and both were being played at the same time….

On their websites?
I just looked at the Gold Coast website. 3 rucks. Chol and Casboults are forwards.
I looked at Richmonds. Ryan is listed as a KPP. They have 3 rucks.
I won't bother checking the rest because your list is obviously wrong.
But if you have to manipulate "facts" to prove a point, why bother?

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How is it manipulation just because it doesn't match the website? We all know Chol and Casboult can play ruck, it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. I'm not going to visit the GCS site but I know from experience that the CFC player pages used to be full of outdated bios.

If [other]/Ruck doesn’t count, then we’ve only got one.

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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-gold-coast-suns--mabior-chol

Just because Chol has a Title of forward on a website, doesn't mean he's not a ruck. In fact, Ive seen him ruck this year. Have a look at his stats for this year. Looks like a ruck, plays the ruck, hits the ball in a ruck contest like a ruck, smells like a ruck, therefore he must be a duck. Come on BV.

I'm not trying to pick a fight but I think you're a being a bit rough on Farmer's research, and being selective yourself to 'manipulate' your point.

You decided to pick on lines 5 and 8 on FB's table of 11 lines/ teams, and dismiss the rest as "obviously" wrong, despite examples of 4 rucks and Suns players playing dual roles with body types to suit the role of ruck.

Here's the point, without being pedantic with definition, I'd rather have the 200cm Levi do the ruckwork than 194cm Jack Silvagni for obvious reasons, and Levi does do ruck duties aplomb because he is a ruck. I've seen Levi take the centre square bounces as a ruckman. Harry McKay on the other hand is 203cm and isn't played as a ruck, apart from a few cameos in the forward line, since TDK had to take on the ruck duties solo, I haven't seen Harry in the centre square.

Based on your definitions, and I'm guessing your definition, Carlton has 1 ruck (Pittonet), 1 Forward/ ruck (TDK) and 1 developing ruck (Mikov). So if one ruck is injured (Pittonet), we have no bonafide ruck and have to rely on 2nd ruck/ forward for ruck duites as No. 1 ruckman, and to support TDK in the ruck we pinch Peter from forwardline (Jack Silvagni), or our main contested bull (Cripps) to Pay Paul. This is not an ideal situation for us, and we are hurting every week because of it.

Not sure I see the consistency.

Anyway, I believe we should have 4 rucks (2 bonafide developed bodies, and 2 developing), and have explained the virtues of 4 rucks, and FarmerB has explained his reasoning, but you have decided 4 rucks creates an unbalanced list, and I don't know how you came to that conclusion. You just have to have a look at our current situation to know we are suffering from an unbalanced list with only one developed ruckman on our list and the other 2 rucks are developing.

Please note we were playing 2 rucks all year till Pitto got injured, and haven't replaced Pitto with the 3rd, who, lets face it, is a project ruckman who was an ex volleyball player...and if you promote Mirkov to the seniors, not only is he underdeveloped and may be a liability (hence non selection), the cupboard is bare in the reserves with 196cm Glass-McAsker doing the ruck duties.

Enlighten me.

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