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Feel sorry for Murph he deserved a better effort than that last 2.5 quarters from the team.
Game passed him 18 months ago but deserves to be in the list of all time games at Carlton. He gave his all for a long time in some VFL standard teams let’s be honest. Hat off to him not sure I would have hung around so long.
Gotta feel for Teague too not many coaches last after that sort of defeat especially at Carlton


That was a Bolton/Paganesque defeat that happened many times. Under Teague, until today, we had suffered anything close to that, always competitive on the scoreboard. Just shows the players have given up on Teague, as they have with our other coaches. My worry, after 20 years of this rubbish, is will be be able to attract a coach. They would know there is every chance their reputation would be left in total tatters with no chance then of another senior job.

Unless we fix player culture and their lack of motivation and will to succeed then the club is fk'ed for years. I got lucky to see 8 flags but it must kill younger supporters.


Yep team culture takes years to build it doesn't take 1-2 years as some wish. If you want long term sustained success they you need one coach to instil it. Be patient back them in to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants. Is the only way. Hinkley has been at Port for 10 years and hasnt won a flag.

Clarkson and Lyon are too old to do that.


Sadly it has been 20 years and it hasn't looked like building. Coaches now could well avoid us like the plague.


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Klopp still had his best players on the park and by that time (7 years) built a team culture... it only took him five years to get there with Liverpool


Apologies to the rest of the forum but I can't let this comedy magic die.

Klopp took over about 1/3rd of the way through the 15/16 season which,by the Walsh methodology, doesn't count.

In 16/17,his first full season, he took Liverpool to the Europa League final and qualification for the Champions League, which the team had managed just once in the previous 8 seasons. I won't mention CL qualification again because he's managed it every season, it is basically taken for granted now.

In 17/18 he took them to the CL final, where they lost after Madrid busted their star player's shouler and the Liverpool keeper made two historic howlers after a blow to the head.

In 18/19 he won the CL, the highest club honour in European (or world) football. His third full season. Also got 97 points in the league, the third highest total in history, but by a freak bout of bad luck, the 2nd highest total occurred in the same season.

In 19/20 he won the Euro Super League and World Club Championship (both invitations extended to CL winners only), but that was a mere footnote to Liverpool's first English top flight title in 30 years. And they didn't just win it, they set standards that were unthinkable. When the world went into lockdown, Liverpool's record was an astonishing 26 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw. They clinched the title with 8 games to spare, an all-time record.

All that in his first 4 full seasons. But yeah, make it 5 or 7 or whatever. His accomplishments in every single season dwarf anything Teague has even shown glimpses of. I've defended Teague on many occasions, but bringing Klopp into this was, shall we say, a gargantuan leap on your part, and I ain't having it.


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4 or 5 seasons whatever? It still takes a long time.


It didn’t take him 4 or 5 seasons to have success. He had all that success in his first 4 seasons. Did you even read the post?


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jake_h03 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
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Klopp still had his best players on the park and by that time (7 years) built a team culture... it only took him five years to get there with Liverpool


Apologies to the rest of the forum but I can't let this comedy magic die.

Klopp took over about 1/3rd of the way through the 15/16 season which,by the Walsh methodology, doesn't count.

In 16/17,his first full season, he took Liverpool to the Europa League final and qualification for the Champions League, which the team had managed just once in the previous 8 seasons. I won't mention CL qualification again because he's managed it every season, it is basically taken for granted now.

In 17/18 he took them to the CL final, where they lost after Madrid busted their star player's shouler and the Liverpool keeper made two historic howlers after a blow to the head.

In 18/19 he won the CL, the highest club honour in European (or world) football. His third full season. Also got 97 points in the league, the third highest total in history, but by a freak bout of bad luck, the 2nd highest total occurred in the same season.

He had eight transfer windows to win premier league.

In 19/20 he won the Euro Super League and World Club Championship (both invitations extended to CL winners only), but that was a mere footnote to Liverpool's first English top flight title in 30 years. And they didn't just win it, they set standards that were unthinkable. When the world went into lockdown, Liverpool's record was an astonishing 26 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw. They clinched the title with 8 games to spare, an all-time record.

All that in his first 4 full seasons. But yeah, make it 5 or 7 or whatever. His accomplishments in every single season dwarf anything Teague has even shown glimpses of. I've defended Teague on many occasions, but bringing Klopp into this was, shall we say, a gargantuan leap on your part, and I ain't having it.


I wouldn’t bother replying to this one Walshy. Know when you’re beat


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4 or 5 seasons whatever? It still takes a long time.


It didn’t take him 4 or 5 seasons to have success. He had all that success in his first 4 seasons. Did you even read the post?


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He had 8 transfer windows to win premier league


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:27 pm 
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Klopp still had his best players on the park and by that time (7 years) built a team culture... it only took him five years to get there with Liverpool


Apologies to the rest of the forum but I can't let this comedy magic die.

Klopp took over about 1/3rd of the way through the 15/16 season which,by the Walsh methodology, doesn't count.

In 16/17,his first full season, he took Liverpool to the Europa League final and qualification for the Champions League, which the team had managed just once in the previous 8 seasons. I won't mention CL qualification again because he's managed it every season, it is basically taken for granted now.

In 17/18 he took them to the CL final, where they lost after Madrid busted their star player's shouler and the Liverpool keeper made two historic howlers after a blow to the head.

In 18/19 he won the CL, the highest club honour in European (or world) football. His third full season. Also got 97 points in the league, the third highest total in history, but by a freak bout of bad luck, the 2nd highest total occurred in the same season.

He had eight transfer windows to win premier league.

In 19/20 he won the Euro Super League and World Club Championship (both invitations extended to CL winners only), but that was a mere footnote to Liverpool's first English top flight title in 30 years. And they didn't just win it, they set standards that were unthinkable. When the world went into lockdown, Liverpool's record was an astonishing 26 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw. They clinched the title with 8 games to spare, an all-time record.

All that in his first 4 full seasons. But yeah, make it 5 or 7 or whatever. His accomplishments in every single season dwarf anything Teague has even shown glimpses of. I've defended Teague on many occasions, but bringing Klopp into this was, shall we say, a gargantuan leap on your part, and I ain't having it.


I wouldn’t bother replying to this one Walshy. Know when you’re beat


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4 or 5 seasons whatever? It still takes a long time.


It didn’t take him 4 or 5 seasons to have success. He had all that success in his first 4 seasons. Did you even read the post?


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He had 8 transfer windows to win premier league[/quote]

They were going very well before they won the league. We’re not asking Teague to win premiership after 2 years. But some improvement would be nice


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jake_h03 wrote:
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jake_h03 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
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Klopp still had his best players on the park and by that time (7 years) built a team culture... it only took him five years to get there with Liverpool


Apologies to the rest of the forum but I can't let this comedy magic die.

Klopp took over about 1/3rd of the way through the 15/16 season which,by the Walsh methodology, doesn't count.

In 16/17,his first full season, he took Liverpool to the Europa League final and qualification for the Champions League, which the team had managed just once in the previous 8 seasons. I won't mention CL qualification again because he's managed it every season, it is basically taken for granted now.

In 17/18 he took them to the CL final, where they lost after Madrid busted their star player's shouler and the Liverpool keeper made two historic howlers after a blow to the head.

In 18/19 he won the CL, the highest club honour in European (or world) football. His third full season. Also got 97 points in the league, the third highest total in history, but by a freak bout of bad luck, the 2nd highest total occurred in the same season.

He had eight transfer windows to win premier league.

In 19/20 he won the Euro Super League and World Club Championship (both invitations extended to CL winners only), but that was a mere footnote to Liverpool's first English top flight title in 30 years. And they didn't just win it, they set standards that were unthinkable. When the world went into lockdown, Liverpool's record was an astonishing 26 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw. They clinched the title with 8 games to spare, an all-time record.

All that in his first 4 full seasons. But yeah, make it 5 or 7 or whatever. His accomplishments in every single season dwarf anything Teague has even shown glimpses of. I've defended Teague on many occasions, but bringing Klopp into this was, shall we say, a gargantuan leap on your part, and I ain't having it.


I wouldn’t bother replying to this one Walshy. Know when you’re beat


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4 or 5 seasons whatever? It still takes a long time.


It didn’t take him 4 or 5 seasons to have success. He had all that success in his first 4 seasons. Did you even read the post?


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He had 8 transfer windows to win premier league[/quote]

They were going very well before they won the league. We’re not asking Teague to win premiership after 2 years. But some improvement would be nice


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:29 pm 
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Walsh, you're out of your element. Teague can be Eddie Howe if you want, but you cannot compare him to a man who has repeatedly proven himself an all-time great throughout his career.


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So who is going to put there hand up now to coach us next year? Somebody , Anybody , is there someone out there .


I'll do it for 60k p/a.

I pledge that betts (wants to play on next year) and docherty will be gone.
I will use a phone to make changes during a match. I will throw temper tantrums for shit performances so ferocious, the players will be scared to lose. No enjoyment of mid season wins. Only flags are to be celebrated for the next 3 years. Anything other than a win and you better be in damn despair with/ without tears.


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So who is going to put there hand up now to coach us next year? Somebody , Anybody , is there someone out there .


I'll do it for 60k p/a.

I pledge that betts (wants to play on next year) and docherty will be gone.
I will use a phone to make changes during a match. I will throw temper tantrums for shit performances so ferocious, the players will be scared to lose. No enjoyment of mid season wins. Only flags are to be celebrated for the next 3 years. Anything other than a win and you better be in damn despair with/ without tears.


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Walsh, you're out of your element. Teague can be Eddie Howe if you want, but you cannot compare him to a man who has repeatedly proven himself an all-time great throughout his career.


Yes I can because same age Klopp was coach at Mainz with 35% win rate.

Teague coached back to back Grand Finals with Northern Bullants at age 31


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we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


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we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.


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Walsh wrote:
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More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.

Then clearly the answer is no.
This is just getting sad.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:43 pm 
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Walsh, you're out of your element. Teague can be Eddie Howe if you want, but you cannot compare him to a man who has repeatedly proven himself an all-time great throughout his career.


He did do better than the other all-time great in Malthouse, every inch as good as Clarko before he got here. 3 flags, 7 Grand Finals, including a rare person getting the Pies a flag. Bet we thought if Ratten could get us to finals then Malthouse would take us to a flag....haha. It's never that simple. We soon sorted him out though. Culture smashed him like it would Clarko and any other coach.

But no, I'm obviously wouldn't compare them as Clarko is up with the great ones. The issue isn't coaching as 5 others have gone the same way with the same couldn't care less effort. Coach can drive players but he is also at the mercy of his players. Clarko won't come here as he'd know, and Bolton would soon tell him, that it would end in tears after 3 years.


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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Wild Blue wrote:
we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.

Then clearly the answer is no.
This is just getting sad.


How can you say clearly no when it took someone like Buckley six trade periods to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants.

Silly response.... fact is we just don't know yet.


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Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Wild Blue wrote:
we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.

Then clearly the answer is no.
This is just getting sad.


How can you say clearly no when it took someone like Buckley six trade periods to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants.

Silly response.... fact is we just don't know yet.


Sidefx talks crap. Same bloke that kept talking up Bolton while he lost 39 games in his last 43.


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Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Wild Blue wrote:
we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.

Then clearly the answer is no.
This is just getting sad.


How can you say clearly no when it took someone like Buckley six trade periods to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants.

Silly response.... fact is we just don't know yet.

And the fact is, we never will.


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jim wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Wild Blue wrote:
we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.

Then clearly the answer is no.
This is just getting sad.


How can you say clearly no when it took someone like Buckley six trade periods to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants.

Silly response.... fact is we just don't know yet.


Sidefx talks crap. Same bloke that kept talking up Bolton while he lost 39 games in his last 43.


Well, that makes sense then. Salty Bolton was sacked - not Teagues fault players wanted Bolton out the door.


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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Wild Blue wrote:
we're so shit (again) you blokes have moved to talkingsoccer


More like whether Klopps Gengen Press gamestyle is tranferable to AFL football.

Thats Teagues gamestyle.

Then clearly the answer is no.
This is just getting sad.


How can you say clearly no when it took someone like Buckley six trade periods to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants.

Silly response.... fact is we just don't know yet.

And the fact is, we never will.


Fact is it? Ok then.


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Walsh wrote:
jim wrote:
mymanmurph wrote:
Feel sorry for Murph he deserved a better effort than that last 2.5 quarters from the team.
Game passed him 18 months ago but deserves to be in the list of all time games at Carlton. He gave his all for a long time in some VFL standard teams let’s be honest. Hat off to him not sure I would have hung around so long.
Gotta feel for Teague too not many coaches last after that sort of defeat especially at Carlton


That was a Bolton/Paganesque defeat that happened many times. Under Teague, until today, we had suffered anything close to that, always competitive on the scoreboard. Just shows the players have given up on Teague, as they have with our other coaches. My worry, after 20 years of this rubbish, is will be be able to attract a coach. They would know there is every chance their reputation would be left in total tatters with no chance then of another senior job.

Unless we fix player culture and their lack of motivation and will to succeed then the club is fk'ed for years. I got lucky to see 8 flags but it must kill younger supporters.


Yep team culture takes years to build it doesn't take 1-2 years as some wish. If you want long term sustained success they you need one coach to instil it. Be patient back them in to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants. Is the only way. Hinkley has been at Port for 10 years and hasnt won a flag.

Clarkson and Lyon are too old to do that.


Again it’s weird as I’m not even anti Teague but you keep shooting yourself in the foot with your analogies.

Hinkley made finals first 2 years with Port and they have been right there or thereabouts since he’s taken over. How is that remotely similar to Teague?


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jim wrote:
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Feel sorry for Murph he deserved a better effort than that last 2.5 quarters from the team.
Game passed him 18 months ago but deserves to be in the list of all time games at Carlton. He gave his all for a long time in some VFL standard teams let’s be honest. Hat off to him not sure I would have hung around so long.
Gotta feel for Teague too not many coaches last after that sort of defeat especially at Carlton


That was a Bolton/Paganesque defeat that happened many times. Under Teague, until today, we had suffered anything close to that, always competitive on the scoreboard. Just shows the players have given up on Teague, as they have with our other coaches. My worry, after 20 years of this rubbish, is will be be able to attract a coach. They would know there is every chance their reputation would be left in total tatters with no chance then of another senior job.

Unless we fix player culture and their lack of motivation and will to succeed then the club is fk'ed for years. I got lucky to see 8 flags but it must kill younger supporters.


Yep team culture takes years to build it doesn't take 1-2 years as some wish. If you want long term sustained success they you need one coach to instil it. Be patient back them in to get the players he wants to play the brand he wants. Is the only way. Hinkley has been at Port for 10 years and hasnt won a flag.

Clarkson and Lyon are too old to do that.


Again it’s weird as I’m not even anti Teague but you keep shooting yourself in the foot with your analogies.

Hinkley made finals first 2 years with Port and they have been right there or thereabouts since he’s taken over. How is that remotely similar to Teague?


Has he won a flag?


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