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Author: | frank dardew [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | The smokescreen |
I’m glad both that the club is celebrating Murph getting to 300 and the club is strongly supporting Eddie on the racism issue a tick to both It’s a shame that the enthusiasm for these right and good issues don’t translate into the very thing that the business of the football club is about running a successful modern forward thinking club that wins both on and off the field and engages all stakeholders in a consistent sensible snd transparent fashion. I hope that the club and the board are fully aware that whilst these are meritorious issues to lead on they in no way provide a diversion from what the supporters want out of the review of the football dept and do not at all ameliorate the shocking performance against GC last weekend and the gross underperformance of the whole club including the performance on the field in 2021 These 2 feel good stories don’t douse the fire of supporters who are sick to the back teeth with Carlton acting and performing rank amateurs and been seen as a laughing stock in the AFL for 20 years . |
Author: | Mickstar [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Onya Frankie . |
Author: | CarltonClem [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Sadly, I think we have been experts in obfuscation for many years Frank. Agree with you. Great causes and events, but one can't help but think that the elephant in the room is being ignored. |
Author: | BlueJean [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
frank dardew wrote: I’m glad both that the club is celebrating Murph getting to 300 and the club is strongly supporting Eddie on the racism issue a tick to both It’s a shame that the enthusiasm for these right and good issues don’t translate into the very thing that the business of the football club is about running a successful modern forward thinking club that wins both on and off the field and engages all stakeholders in a consistent sensible snd transparent fashion. I hope that the club and the board are fully aware that whilst these are meritorious issues to lead on they in no way provide a diversion from what the supporters want out of the review of the football dept and do not at all ameliorate the shocking performance against GC last weekend and the gross underperformance of the whole club including the performance on the field in 2021 These 2 feel good stories don’t douse the fire of supporters who are sick to the back teeth with Carlton acting and performing rank amateurs and been seen as a laughing stock in the AFL for 20 years . Brilliantly articulated, Frank. I agree wholeheartedly. |
Author: | bmaurizio [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Succinctly put frank , I do hope the review is a diligent and pertinent insight. Our once proud club just keeps rambling on it seems often disconnected often form supporters and their dream. |
Author: | AGRO [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Geez we’ve got a lot of copies of the old songbook that Synbad and others were singing from a few years ago to go around. |
Author: | bluehammer [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | The smokescreen |
So many years and the first use of ameliorate on this site. Brilliant post all round, but that put it into... POW territory! |
Author: | bluehammer [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | The smokescreen |
If we still did it. |
Author: | 99prelim [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
frank dardew wrote: I’m glad both that the club is celebrating Murph getting to 300 and the club is strongly supporting Eddie on the racism issue a tick to both It’s a shame that the enthusiasm for these right and good issues don’t translate into the very thing that the business of the football club is about running a successful modern forward thinking club that wins both on and off the field and engages all stakeholders in a consistent sensible snd transparent fashion. I hope that the club and the board are fully aware that whilst these are meritorious issues to lead on they in no way provide a diversion from what the supporters want out of the review of the football dept and do not at all ameliorate the shocking performance against GC last weekend and the gross underperformance of the whole club including the performance on the field in 2021 These 2 feel good stories don’t douse the fire of supporters who are sick to the back teeth with Carlton acting and performing rank amateurs and been seen as a laughing stock in the AFL for 20 years . Agree as well Frank I guess for me, the shining light is that the Review is focussing on the footy dept, the very area where we cannot hide as an organisation |
Author: | Mickstar [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
AGRO wrote: Geez we’ve got a lot of copies of the old songbook that Synbad and others were singing from a few years ago to go around. Yeah , and to think Synner's used to get shit canned in those days . Get " The Big Sinner " back Aggs . As hard as Walsh tries , he aint fit to polish the boots of the great man . But who could , a once of . |
Author: | london blue [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Smokescreen perhaps. And perhaps not. just as possible the club will announce the review findings transparently once the board has ratified them. Hopefully over the next fortnight. That’s when i have the opportunity to measure their appetite and committment to change.........a mature organisation, one that honours leadership would put their hand up and accept the individual and collective ownership of the current situation. In the meantime, the stories at hand - Murphy and Eddie are worth giving air too. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Great stuff Frankie. ... and the post just above me from london blue...yep, all eyes are on the Board. Lets see if Board embraces the supporters with the information that may give them comfort, knowing the truth of the state of the Footy dept and what they are going to do to fix it, just as they have with the 2 big stories Murph and Ed. Both of the stories moved me, last night and today, and its a shame the negative noise has got more of my attention. Its great that the footy public have been moved by Ed and Murph's stories. |
Author: | azzablue [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
The board have no connection with the supporter base at all , and it’s all about them !! There is complete disconnect and has been forever , I can’t seeing it change anytime soon. What Sayers does with this review and the changes he makes will determine his legacy immediately, there will be no honeymoon period because the whole supporter base is sick of their crap messaging !! |
Author: | keogh [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Watch the news last night I honestly got pissed off watching the players with those 300 t shirts The coach is about to be sacked Murphy has been gifted the last 17 games or whatever because the club puts individuals first plus the medical sub rule The last 16 quarters against average opposition we have played 3 and a bit quarters of decent footy the rest of it has been deplorable and their efforts have been shit That is partly coaching Partly the playing group The players obviously don’t really give a shit about the club clearly So long as I get a game and my fat pay cheque Is it the same at other clubs At successful clubs no Carlton arn’t as one. Just a bunch of selfish individuals who continue to deny what is really wrong And the board is disconnected from the supporters corrupt make up the rules to keep their power and escape all blame for the obvious abyss We so desperately need a change at the top Very sad Whilst Teague has his deficiencies I feel for him like I did for Bolton |
Author: | Walsh [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
I'll be happy to play one AFL game let alone 300 I am going to buy one of those 300 t shirts |
Author: | Paddycripps [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
This is a club that refuses to go through the required process. You watch, they'll probably appoint Clarkson without doing due diligence. |
Author: | keogh [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Walsh wrote: I'll be happy to play one AFL game let alone 300 I am going to buy one of those 300 t shirts I would be happy too bu that’s not the point I’m making Successful teams are based on selfless attitude Team first Fine to celebrate a milestone but it was handed to him So what if he finished on 283 or whatever He was clearly cooked at the end of 2020 It’s about the club not the individual |
Author: | bondiblue [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
Walsh wrote: I'll be happy to play one AFL game let alone 300 I am going to buy one of those 300 t shirts Good on you Walshy First and foremost its about loyalty through thick or thin. That's what I try to teach my kids from the last 20 years with Carlton. Then for us rusted on, we want our kids to see the success we experienced, because it has been doom and gloom for the majority of their lives. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
keogh wrote: Watch the news last night I honestly got pissed off watching the players with those 300 t shirts The coach is about to be sacked Murphy has been gifted the last 17 games or whatever because the club puts individuals first plus the medical sub rule The last 16 quarters against average opposition we have played 3 and a bit quarters of decent footy the rest of it has been deplorable and their efforts have been shit That is partly coaching Partly the playing group The players obviously don’t really give a shit about the club clearly So long as I get a game and my fat pay cheque Is it the same at other clubs At successful clubs no Carlton arn’t as one. Just a bunch of selfish individuals who continue to deny what is really wrong And the board is disconnected from the supporters corrupt make up the rules to keep their power and escape all blame for the obvious abyss We so desperately need a change at the top Very sad Whilst Teague has his deficiencies I feel for him like I did for Bolton I hear you keogh. There is a level of selfishness still at the club, but its hard to pinpoint what it is. Is it post Elliot fallout. The end of his era was really toxic. The remnants of that era Camporeale, Bradley, Silvagni are all gone. I didn't think of McKay and Ratten like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but they are gone too. Who on our list was touched by the end of that era? There's only Murphy. Curnow and Levi came later, and Jones came from somewhere else. But to celebrate a player's milestone, and a huge one at that is not offensive. The flipside is offensive. The problem we all have was gifting him an extra year when Simmo still had plenty more left than Murph and he was forced to retire. The fact that Teague gifted games because he believed in them has had an effect imo. No one can put a finger on the problem: the curse. The Board is doing fine. I hope there's a demarcation line between the Board and Footy Dept: that's all. If not, there's the problem. Not the Board itself, but their meddling in the rooms. IMO Hopefully Sayers can see what needs to be and the Review reflects the hearts and minds of those in the Footy dept. The collage of thoughts and ideas is what is going to be difficult to sypher through to put the finger on one thing or three. Lets hope the Board choose to fix has a domino effect on the other issues, because I'm sure many issues are related. |
Author: | Paddycripps [ Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The smokescreen |
I think a lot of this, certainly the playing group stuff, comes back to belief. Do the players believe in the team and list in any given year, is actually any good? This group might think this a bit at the start of the year, and then a couple months in .... it all gets too hard and belief goes out the window. It's probably why Teague keeps preaching he believes in the list. He is saying this for the players. Once the belief is gone, so does any real commitment and belief they can make finals etc. They get a kick up the arse when they put in a shocker, but that effort doesn't last long. I remember Judd saying when he came to the club something about how not many of the players took things seriously and were committed. Well the list was rubbish so it's probably no surprise. I can imagine Cripps has a similar problem now, in that he knows not all the players are truly on board and truly BELIEVE. Cripps seems a genuinely energised fella, I believe he cares, but I think for whatever reason (be it injuries, the coach?) his resolve has maybe been tested this year. IN my view the list is pretty good. We lack a good young small forward, and probably need another good tall defender, and a probably some ruck depth, but outside of that the midfield still isn't good enough and that is the core problem. Over the last month or so Kennedy has been good in a serviceable way but will he ever be great? I am not sure he will. Dow has also been good through this period but was woeful last week and I dare say this weekend's game is massive for him - if he doesn't respond I think eyebrows will be raised about his mental fortitude. Granted he has been injured for a period once again but Setterfield hasn't come on as many of us expected he would. To my eye he seems to lack intent and aggression, which is a trait I am sad to say seems to be consistent in a lot of SOS' recruitment choices. LOB is not a tough footballer. Plowman is not a tough footballer. SPS is not a tough footballer. Fisher is not a tough footballer. (was he a SOS pick?). Williamson is not a tough footballer. Gibbons is not a tough footballer. The list goes on and I don't think recent big money recruits are that tough either - Saad, McGovern, Martin. I am not saying they all need to be hard nosed but you get my drift. At the end of the day we need at least 3 topline mids and right now we have Walsh and an under-performing and probably injured Cripps. The club have backed the captain so I can only assume he is still carrying an injury and when he gets over this injury we will see a far better Cripps. It's why I think Cerra is an essential piece in the puzzle. He is young but he has class written all over him. He would make a nice one two tandem with Walsh. And then you still need a good B-Team. Will the likes of Dow, Setterfield, Kennedy, Carroll, even Kemp be that team in the near future? There's not many guarantees there. But I digress. The challenge, aside from getting a coach who has some semblance of interest in defence is for the players to believe and then buy-in. And I think an improved midfield will be central to this. Cripps needs help. We get him Walsh. But he/we need more in there. Kennedy and Dow were more than decent for a few weeks then last weekend happened. A stronger TDK. A fit Cripps. And Cerra. And suddenly the midfield looks a bit better. Call me crazy but would we look at Mitchell from Hawthorn? I know his ball use is iffy but he can damn well find it. If we have to cough up 6 + SPS for Cerra and a 2nd back, then what will it take to get Mitchell? TDK Cripps Walsh Mitchell Cerra That's a starting midfield. |
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