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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:28 pm 
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Never good to be beaten by bottom of the ladder. Always seems to happen around this time of year. Fixture request for 2022, play north, hawks adulaide in the first 10 rounds...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:33 pm 
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Matt Kennedy looking super impressed in the sheds ...


i dont get this one Heavs, what happened?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:36 pm 
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we did this last year as well. played a few good games towards the back en dof the season, got within a sniff of finals, and completely shit ourselves

history showed we were always gonna lose this game, as soon as there is something to play for, or the pressure is on to perform, we fold like a deck of cards

extremely weak mentality of this group. teague hasnt changed it, i think it has gotten worse under him

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:38 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I’ve said it before
Midfield is shit
Simpkin beat Walsh
Cripps tried hard but was plugging holes
Dow get a pass today but his kicking overall is substandard
So let’s look at it because that’s where the game was won
SPS trade if you can get anything for him lazy slow weak
O’Brien soft can’t a game gone
Both top 10 picks contracts end this year
Setterfield top 10 pick we acquired him with a low second rounder and pick 43
Slow soft shit kick can’t get a game contracted till 2022
Kennedy I maintain if he makes it with consistent footy it is as a third tall forward
Simply goes missing too much as a mid cost us a pick 28
Dow pick 3 an average player at best contracted till 2022
Martin can’t play mid
Not quick enough hard enough aerobic fitness is terrible resigns as a HFF on $3.5 million over 5 years
Contracted till 2024 once again poor game that shit kick in the third on the left boot was insipid
Zac Williams on 4.8 million till 2026
Can’t play mid not fit enough and hard enough to play there
Gibbons just average at least only cost us a rookie pick
Cripps great player who has gone backwards although still tries hard but doesn’t gain enough metres gained
Guys like Oliver have gone passed him contracted till 2027
Zac Fisher very disappointed after promising start
Simply doesn’t do enough don’t know when his contract is up but pretty sure not this year
Curnow Murphy finished
Fogarty cost us basically a pick 30 can’t get a game very average
With us a bit longer
It’s not enjoyable reading but that is fundamentally why we are shit
It starts in the middle
Goldstein one the hit outs but we were smashed too easily
We don’t have the cattle in this area
And we are talking about some guys who are on long term contracts on big money who we gave up good draft picks for
Poor recruiting and list management


Dow was fine today, way down on the list of problems.

Kennedy was stuck in the same situation as Cripps today, trying to plug holes up forward.

At least 2 of Pittonet, casboult, McKay, Charlie, Omac or even Gov would of helped immensely with our structure today.

If everything was going right for us we may of been able to get 7th/8th, but I don’t think we are that far below par for the side we have, which is probably 10th/11th.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:39 pm 
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bender wrote:
we did this last year as well. played a few good games towards the back en dof the season, got within a sniff of finals, and completely shit ourselves

history showed we were always gonna lose this game, as soon as there is something to play for, or the pressure is on to perform, we fold like a deck of cards

extremely weak mentality of this group. teague hasnt changed it, i think it has gotten worse under him


Worse than under Bolts? You are having a laugh


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:42 pm 
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Midfield has been a joke for years but so has the backline and forward line

I think we got the backline and forwardline in good order.

Throw some assets towards Tom Mitchell and Josh Kelly as RFA

As this midfield is lacking in A grade quality....

A player that is doing "okay" in the midfield belongs in VFL.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:45 pm 
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Where do find the money for Mitchell and Kelly?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:54 pm 
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Let’s find the money for Clarke Lyon or Buckley


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:55 pm 
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Different energy today. Is it Cripps? Murphy? Something else?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:58 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
We do find the money for Mitchell and Kelly?


We should - Murphy, Betts, Levi retiring should free up some space along with salary cap going from $13.4m to $16.5m

I think there is enough to bring both - but that would be the last two "big names" then draft only for few years the way I am seeing it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:01 pm 
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I tried hard to look at set ups and structure.
Looked at the method NM used to work the ball out of defence and carlton's.
I noticed the pressure NM heaped on our defenders and in the midfield, and Carlton didn't.

I don't think we have a structure or method to work the ball out of defence.
I don't think the players worked hard enough, and I'm sure they didnt try their hardest.

Crap that we were good at tackling and 1%ers compared to NM.
Our tackles don't stick and seem easy to break.

Jones was on Larkey.

... I'm sick of this crap and hero worship.

Cripps was dominated by Cunington.

Cripps is a shadow of the player he was.
When Kreuzer was injured Cripps still was able to work hard and read the tap of the opposition.
Cripps doesn't try hard enough to impose himself on the game.

I made plenty of comments in the match day thread about bad cripps when I saw bad cripps. I didnt make it up.
Ball watching. Dow attacks the ball harder in the centre than Cripps. Dow is still21yo.

Have a look at how many midfielders in the AFL have gone past Cripps....its a long long list, starting with Walsh.....there's heaps from every team.
There lies the truth. Cripps has to compete against them AND BEAT THEM.

Cripps the contested bull is a story about a hero in the past.
If he's injured, then he shouldn't be playing.
Get him fit, and reload for next year.

If Cripps knew Goldstein was going to win most taps, why didn't he win some?
5 Clearances....what, with some wobbly handball to ... whoever was there from either team. 66% Disposal efficiency.
I'm grateful for his 3 goals. truly. What I'm saying is his desire and defensive side of the game are lacking this year (and last year too).

Cripps doesn't get his 20 plus handballs anymore and dish them out. That's all dried up.

I'm not against playing Cripps, but I'm not going to give him th e hero worship others do because he won 20 disposals and kicked 3 goals.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:02 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
bender wrote:
we did this last year as well. played a few good games towards the back en dof the season, got within a sniff of finals, and completely shit ourselves

history showed we were always gonna lose this game, as soon as there is something to play for, or the pressure is on to perform, we fold like a deck of cards

extremely weak mentality of this group. teague hasnt changed it, i think it has gotten worse under him


Worse than under Bolts? You are having a laugh


no i'm actually serious. i do think at least under bolts for the majority of the time we played as a team, and he had an excuse of youth. but the willingness to give up so quickly when the going gets tough seems to have increased under teague. while we arent getting belted now, the team seems to do just enough to get an honourable loss and thats it - no guts to fight through (last week aside - i had hoped we had turned the corner last week, but that was just an anomaly) we are just too weak mentally, and as a more mature side, this is unacceptable. hence it has gotten worse

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:03 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
We do find the money for Mitchell and Kelly?


We should - Murphy, Betts, Levi retiring should free up some space along with salary cap going from $13.4m to $16.5m

I think there is enough to bring both - but that would be the last two "big names" then draft only for few years the way I am seeing it.


and get rid of mcgovern too. or rookie him and play him back

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:04 pm 
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Forget comparing Bolton with Teague - Bolton lost the players.

It's not Teague's fault Bolton got himself sacked.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:10 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
We do find the money for Mitchell and Kelly?


Knowing Carlton's form, we'll miss on Kelly and find a fortune for Mitchell.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:12 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
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Effort was there done well in tackles and 1% ers

Wasting energy to throw hissy fits. Hopefully Harry, Charlie & Levi come into the side next week


Great stuff Yvonne. :lol:

I'm not surprised at all by the loss. I tipped us to lose. We've reached the personnel tipping point.
You can adapt with the loss of key players but you still require on area of strength. We don't have it.
A boy against a gun ruckman gave them silver service at the stoppages. When we won it back in defence, we had no structural integrity up the ground to direct the ball to. Eventually the dam wall was going to burst. I wouldn't sack Teague on that performance.
Let the review run its course and make an informed decision from there.

Disappointed we didn't give Jones a run in the ruck though to try and wrestle back some ascendancy

I hate to break the bad news to everyone here , Teague won’t be coaching next year , simple !!

Take it to the bank !!

Enough please , the game today was worse than the drugcheats one in 2019 with bolts as coach

Teague game plan , umm. I hope one of my guns can get us across the line !!

Awful coach at a awful club that has no balls !! And they got there just desserts today

We have only beaten crows , freo and pies this last month who are all awful





Good post, Teague may lose his job after the review, but I don’t think he will.

Just take the emotion out of it and decide at the end of the season.

Today was a perfect storm in a way, tipping point of playing personnel and a bottom opposition playing very well (who have been playing well last month).

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:13 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Forget comparing Bolton with Teague - Bolton lost the players.

It's not Teague's fault Bolton got himself sacked.

What if Teague loses the players? today looked eerily familiar...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:14 pm 
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Kennedy couldn't pick the ball up today. Couldn't bend over.
He played midfield minutes, don't worry about that.
Maybe he went into his shell with Cripps taking the lead role? I don't know.

First quarter misses for goal deflating: Owies, Silvagni.... FMD...in the first quarter when still relatively fresh.

Can't wait to move on Williamson and Newman next year.

Williams was good when on the ground.
Saad didnt look confident taking them on with his speed for some reason. He was OK.
Martin didn't do enough. That left foot shot at goal was not practised, looked like guess work.

Once Betts and Williams were gone, so were we.

SPS, Fisher, Cottrell not strong enough for AFL.

Jones didn't respect his opponent again.
He looks great when he doesn't have an opponent.

Bad Plowman today.

Needed someone with height in the forward line.
Jack was dominated by Goldstein. Felt sorry for him. Won a tap though.

I'm sure a CHF and FF would have made a huge difference, but the way we pressured their defenders was pathetic: smla forwards and midfielders to blame.

Anyone think the boys gave it their best are kidding themselves.

3 more games with Murphy....maybe. Where was his experience on show when needed? He's finished.
I don't mind giving him 3 more as sub, then he can just retire. Talk about playing one year too many.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:16 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Forget comparing Bolton with Teague - Bolton lost the players.

It's not Teague's fault Bolton got himself sacked.

What if Teague loses the players? today looked eerily familiar...


If he loses the players then its curtains for him.

He is too good of a coach to let that happen - too many years in AFL environment.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:20 pm 
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Positives:

Walsh got 27 possessions but didn't really hurt the opposition today. Pass.
Thought TDK did really well in the first half, but got beaten by an AA ruckman 15 kilos heavier. Pass.
Dow is improving. Loved some of the contested work he did. Pass.
Weitering was great for most of the game. Let his opponent kick a couple easy goals. Pass.
Williams looked really good before he got injured. Pass.
Saad tried, but not his line breaking self. Pass
Silvagni tried hard, but did some silly stuff and missed an easy goal. Pass.
Cripps kicked 3 goals, got beaten by Cunington. Pass.

Missing our KPF's really hurt. Injuries to 7 best 22 still hurts, but not 39 points worth against the bottom team with two midsized players missing from their best 22.

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