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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:02 pm 
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No evidence he can motivate sorry 4-13 suggests that unfortunately
The fact that they couldn’t produce a performance after all the heat on them damning


Maybe they did play to their potential but GWS was too talented and too good?

We were wooden spooners 1.5 years ago

And Norf drew with GWS last week, so what’s your take on that?

May as well shut up shop with the litany of excuses you’re finding for this bruise-free club onfield and off…


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:05 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
No evidence he can motivate sorry 4-13 suggests that unfortunately
The fact that they couldn’t produce a performance after all the heat on them damning


Maybe they did play to their potential but GWS was too talented and too good?

We were wooden spooners 1.5 years ago

And Norf drew with GWS last week, so what’s your take on that?

May as well shut up shop with the litany of excuses you’re finding for this bruise-free club onfield and off…


GWS didnt lay 79 tackles against North did they? They came out firing as they knew they could push our midfield around and thats what happened - I said pre game we are going to get hammered in the midfield and lose the game -- wasn't an excuse either just a glaring and obvious fact. Just don't have the talent get your head around that!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:15 pm 
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Can someone pleae say something to help soothe the heartache I am currently feeling? :banghead:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:17 pm 
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CFC8795 wrote:
Can someone pleae say something to help soothe the heartache I am currently feeling? :banghead:


On proviso we get the midfield to the doctor and in top working order over next two years we will play Prelim in 2023.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:17 pm 
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Drop Dow not good enough needs time and weakening an already weak midfield.

Doesnt get his hands on the ball enough and shows very little class.

Kennedy needs to keep going and at the right age to step up. Suspect he can follow it up - hopefully he surprises.

Out : Dow Parks Martin

So dow is the scapegoat now !

But Docherty Williams fisher , Jones should keep playing, hmmm

Great analysis

I guess you want Murphy Back too


You do realise that this forum is talkingcarlton, not talkingmurphy?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:18 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Can someone pleae say something to help soothe the heartache I am currently feeling? :banghead:


On proviso we get the midfield to the doctor and in top working order over next two years we will play Prelim in 2023.

Cool.
So it is not all doom and gloom?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:19 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Can someone pleae say something to help soothe the heartache I am currently feeling? :banghead:


On proviso we get the midfield to the doctor and in top working order over next two years we will play Prelim in 2023.

Thank you!
I feel better already. :smoking: :garthp:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:20 pm 
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The sugar coating has to stop, Teague has to go.

If it’s correct that he wanted to resign but was talked into staying then those responsible should resign too.

We are a rabble with zero respect throughout the football industry.

When one captain misses your other captain with a simple hand pass from 5 metres away :roll:


Nightmare stuff which caused a turnover (can't remember if they scored from it) ....... and then the fumble by the co-captain (and I had this feeling it would happen) that resulted in a goal.

And another thing .... this co-captain bullshit has to stop.


i want walsh as captain. he will provide inspiration for a long, long time. cripps and doc dont have it anymore


That’s what we all used to think about Cripps…


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:20 pm 
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CFC8795 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Can someone pleae say something to help soothe the heartache I am currently feeling? :banghead:


On proviso we get the midfield to the doctor and in top working order over next two years we will play Prelim in 2023.

Thank you!
I feel better already. :smoking: :garthp:

Me too.
Thanks Walsh. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:20 pm 
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Without the ball, there are two options you can find a man, or find the relevant space to fill, amazingly we take option three: hide and point.
Hey that's a bit harsh bookie, we actually lead the league in pointing.

Some of our pointers have really stepped up this year and are having career best pointing numbers.


Getting T-Bird back from Hawthorn as our pointing coach already paying dividends

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:20 pm 
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There is no evidence he cant motivate. Even last night after being beaten up in the middle the team fought back to come within two goals with 15 minutes remaining in the last. Showed good fighting spirit despite all our flaws.

Just need to accept the fact GWS midfield had superior talent that have been playing together for few years. Thats where we need to get to.


I agree with you about the midfield & their top 5 mids are streets ahead of ours. I wasn't confident about this game at all, for that reason.

But there is never an excuse for the opposition laying double the amount of tackles as you.

We looked weak.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:22 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Walsh wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Can someone pleae say something to help soothe the heartache I am currently feeling? :banghead:


On proviso we get the midfield to the doctor and in top working order over next two years we will play Prelim in 2023.

Cool.
So it is not all doom and gloom?


When midfield can get their hands on the ball and execute properly there will be too much talent all over the ground - game plan will improve but need elite talent.

This group with high morale and confidence can achieve anything they want but not without an A grade engine room.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:23 pm 
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It sucks being a Carlton supporter at the moment.


That moment feels like 20 years….oh wait


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:24 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
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There is no evidence he cant motivate. Even last night after being beaten up in the middle the team fought back to come within two goals with 15 minutes remaining in the last. Showed good fighting spirit despite all our flaws.

Just need to accept the fact GWS midfield had superior talent that have been playing together for few years. Thats where we need to get to.


I agree with you about the midfield & their top 5 mids are streets ahead of ours. I wasn't confident about this game at all, for that reason.

But there is never an excuse for the opposition laying double the amount of tackles as you.

We looked weak.


Yes, because we are.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:27 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
When midfield can get their hands on the ball and execute properly there will be too much talent all over the ground - game plan will improve but need elite talent.

This group with high morale and confidence can achieve anything they want but not without an A grade engine room.


:lol:
Great diversion. Yes our midfield is struggling but our problem all year has been defensive structure when we don't have the ball.
We have no idea how to defend. Our offensive kickout structures are abysmal. Our defensive kickout structures are abysmal and our ability to prevent the opposition transitioning off turnover, stoppage or stop plays are abysmal.
Everyone can see it. media commentators, ex players and basic supporters who watch the game. GWS average 95 marks per game. They had 138 last night. They pulled our pathetic zone apart like most other teams have this year. IMHO, the reality is now hitting the players. They are playing with one arm tied behind their backs with poor system and no answers coming from the coaches box. What has changed? What have we done to improve our defensive work in 14 rounds of football? @#$%&! all.

But no, you keep kicking Paddy Dow and the other players who you hope will take the heat off the real issue.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:34 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
GWS didnt lay 79 tackles against North did they? They came out firing as they knew they could push our midfield around and thats what happened - I said pre game we are going to get hammered in the midfield and lose the game -- wasn't an excuse either just a glaring and obvious fact. Just don't have the talent get your head around that!


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Great diversion. Yes our midfield is struggling but our problem all year has been defensive structure when we don't have the ball.
We have no idea how to defend. Our offensive kickout structures are abysmal. Our defensive kickout structures are abysmal and our ability to prevent the opposition transitioning off turnover, stoppage or stop plays are abysmal.
Everyone can see it. media commentators, ex players and basic supporters who watch the game. GWS average 95 marks per game. They had 138 last night. They pulled our pathetic zone apart like most other teams have this year. IMHO, the reality is now hitting the players. They are playing with one arm tied behind their backs with poor system and no answers coming from the coaches box. What has changed? What have we done to improve our defensive work in 14 rounds of football? @#$%&! all.

But no, you keep kicking Paddy Dow and the other players who you hope will take the heat off the real issue.


Problems with defensive structure is overrated. Defence is always going to come under pressure when we don't control the football and butcher it. If we lose clearances as we have then it will ping into our forward 50 with one or two disposals. What is defensive transitioning going to do exactly. Getting hands on the ball and executing to AFL standards and winning one on one contests more often than not along with scoring heavily from turnovers is what is going to stop supply and win games. The way we set behind the ball is more important than defensive transitioning.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:36 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
GWS didnt lay 79 tackles against North did they? They came out firing as they knew they could push our midfield around and thats what happened - I said pre game we are going to get hammered in the midfield and lose the game -- wasn't an excuse either just a glaring and obvious fact. Just don't have the talent get your head around that!


:lol:
Great diversion. Yes our midfield is struggling but our problem all year has been defensive structure when we don't have the ball.
We have no idea how to defend. Our offensive kickout structures are abysmal. Our defensive kickout structures are abysmal and our ability to prevent the opposition transitioning off turnover, stoppage or stop plays are abysmal.
Everyone can see it. media commentators, ex players and basic supporters who watch the game. GWS average 95 marks per game. They had 138 last night. They pulled our pathetic zone apart like most other teams have this year. IMHO, the reality is now hitting the players. They are playing with one arm tied behind their backs with poor system and no answers coming from the coaches box. What has changed? What have we done to improve our defensive work in 14 rounds of football? @#$%&! all.

But no, you keep kicking Paddy Dow and the other players who you hope will take the heat off the real issue.


Problems with defensive structure is overrated.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:53 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
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Walsh wrote:
GWS didnt lay 79 tackles against North did they? They came out firing as they knew they could push our midfield around and thats what happened - I said pre game we are going to get hammered in the midfield and lose the game -- wasn't an excuse either just a glaring and obvious fact. Just don't have the talent get your head around that!


:lol:
Great diversion. Yes our midfield is struggling but our problem all year has been defensive structure when we don't have the ball.
We have no idea how to defend. Our offensive kickout structures are abysmal. Our defensive kickout structures are abysmal and our ability to prevent the opposition transitioning off turnover, stoppage or stop plays are abysmal.
Everyone can see it. media commentators, ex players and basic supporters who watch the game. GWS average 95 marks per game. They had 138 last night. They pulled our pathetic zone apart like most other teams have this year. IMHO, the reality is now hitting the players. They are playing with one arm tied behind their backs with poor system and no answers coming from the coaches box. What has changed? What have we done to improve our defensive work in 14 rounds of football? @#$%&! all.

But no, you keep kicking Paddy Dow and the other players who you hope will take the heat off the real issue.


Problems with defensive structure is overrated. Defence is always going to come under pressure when we don't control the football and butcher it. If we lose clearances as we have then it will ping into our forward 50 with one or two disposals. What is defensive transitioning going to do exactly. Getting hands on the ball and executing to AFL standards and winning one on one contests more often than not along with scoring heavily from turnovers is what is going to stop supply and win games. The way we set behind the ball is more important than defensive transitioning.

Yes there are questions on our midfield but even the best teams have moments when the opposition takes control of the game, and they must have a team defence to counteract that period, and limit the damage on the scoreboard.

Our team defence is abysmal... which is why we concede so many 5 goal runs

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:06 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
GWS didnt lay 79 tackles against North did they? They came out firing as they knew they could push our midfield around and thats what happened - I said pre game we are going to get hammered in the midfield and lose the game -- wasn't an excuse either just a glaring and obvious fact. Just don't have the talent get your head around that!


:lol:
Great diversion. Yes our midfield is struggling but our problem all year has been defensive structure when we don't have the ball.
We have no idea how to defend. Our offensive kickout structures are abysmal. Our defensive kickout structures are abysmal and our ability to prevent the opposition transitioning off turnover, stoppage or stop plays are abysmal.
Everyone can see it. media commentators, ex players and basic supporters who watch the game. GWS average 95 marks per game. They had 138 last night. They pulled our pathetic zone apart like most other teams have this year. IMHO, the reality is now hitting the players. They are playing with one arm tied behind their backs with poor system and no answers coming from the coaches box. What has changed? What have we done to improve our defensive work in 14 rounds of football? @#$%&! all.

But no, you keep kicking Paddy Dow and the other players who you hope will take the heat off the real issue.


Problems with defensive structure is overrated. Defence is always going to come under pressure when we don't control the football and butcher it. If we lose clearances as we have then it will ping into our forward 50 with one or two disposals. What is defensive transitioning going to do exactly. Getting hands on the ball and executing to AFL standards and winning one on one contests more often than not along with scoring heavily from turnovers is what is going to stop supply and win games. The way we set behind the ball is more important than defensive transitioning.

Yes there are questions on our midfield but even the best teams have moments when the opposition takes control of the game, and they must have a team defence to counteract that period, and limit the damage on the scoreboard.

Our team defence is abysmal... which is why we concede so many 5 goal runs


Yes, we get split open on the spread when we lose posession they just need to move the ball quickly and precisely and we are done. Can't defend that against good teams other than playing loose defender - in comes Marchbank here or wings that gut run and tackle enter no one here. Newnes was good last year actually and have no one this year. Ultimately its the midfield to ensure it creates goals and stops supply. But without the players to do it, what can you do? You can ask for superhuman efforts but for how long to VFL standard players before everything just falls to cow manure?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:56 pm 
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For fear of the wrath it might bring, I actually think Dow was a positive, if only for that one clearance. When he was recruited, his ability to burst out of stoppages was one of his strengths, and in all the VFL reports this year they've spoken about working with him to ensure he does that in games. To see him do it - to see him back himself, and not defer to a senior player or look to hand ball off - was a positive. If he can start to do that regularly, and if other players start to sense that he can do it and start giving the ball to him, then he'll improve and his numbers will go right up.


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