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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:12 pm 
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Omeara Worpel Mitchell

That's a pretty handy trio. Bit nervous about Saturday

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Wingard can be damaging as well.


And Impey.
Their midfield matches up well with ours.


It depends how hard Cripps goes for the ball, and wins it imo

Hopefully McEvoy doesn't give his mids first use of the ball.

It's time for Batman and robin to really turn it on, if Crippa is not injured as Teague suggests.

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:14 pm 
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The heat is on Teague this week.

BIG time.

Clarkson made a fool of Teague laST YEAR.

This week we find out if Teague has progressed.

If we lose because Teague believed in his players when they weren't delivering, and didn't react quick enough with solutions, he's dead meat.

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:19 pm 
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If we can't win this... heaven help Teague.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 6:16 pm 
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We are going to smash them we are too physically big and atheletic.

From Parks right down to Fogarty to Stocker. Pitbulls everywhere.

Thats why I want Honey in the team physically built and runs hard and goes in hard. I will be surprised and disappointed if this isnt a percentage booster.

I hope we never draft skinny talented kids again.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 6:46 pm 
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kezza wrote:
I am looking forward to sitting in my own seat again this week.
It will be good to catch up with those who sit around me and have done for many years.
I was surprised at how easy it was to download my ticket onto my phone from the Carlton app.
Good weather forecast too.
What could possibly go wrong?
You could have Azza and Keogh sitting near you?

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 7:08 pm 
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Hopefully they do something to give us a medium sized option in attack. Bring in Honey maybe.

The forward line was just weird last week

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 7:21 pm 
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So, we get the teams tomorrow night, right?


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:04 pm 
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More proof how bad we have been , we had this team the last 2 years only for us to stuff it completely
We are 1 and 17 against this mob in recent years

And only beaten them 4 times this century...

Something to contemplate as to what does club stands for ??


What does any club stand for? What does that even mean when people say this?

We’re an AFL club, not a political party.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:07 pm 
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Yes, there are generational stars on every line!
And they have a master coach!
I think we should just tremble and panic. And give up.

And we complain about our boys' mental fragility.
Harden the fk up.
We are much better than the Hawks and will win strongly and going away with it.


We should win, but people are spooked.

They are bad, but we are average and a bit down overall. I think 7 out of 10 times this game is played we win, though I’m not exactly brimming with confidence.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
The heat is on Teague this week.

BIG time.

Clarkson made a fool of Teague laST YEAR.

This week we find out if Teague has progressed.

If we lose because Teague believed in his players when they weren't delivering, and didn't react quick enough with solutions, he's dead meat.


One of the issues last year was we had a midfield which consisted of all:

Cripps
Setterfield
Kennedy

It worked when we won the ball early but we were completely hapless to stop them running rampant over us.

They definitely have enough players that if they play well can cause us problems.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:10 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
kezza wrote:
I am looking forward to sitting in my own seat again this week.
It will be good to catch up with those who sit around me and have done for many years.
I was surprised at how easy it was to download my ticket onto my phone from the Carlton app.
Good weather forecast too.
What could possibly go wrong?
You could have Azza and Keogh sitting near you?

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Might be enough to make me want to find another weekend pursuit.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:45 pm 
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Will get very ugly if we lose this one.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 12:00 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Omeara Worpel Mitchell

That's a pretty handy trio. Bit nervous about Saturday

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Wingard...

Clarkson sees Carlton and smells blood. :banghead:

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 6:33 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
kezza wrote:
I am looking forward to sitting in my own seat again this week.
It will be good to catch up with those who sit around me and have done for many years.
I was surprised at how easy it was to download my ticket onto my phone from the Carlton app.
Good weather forecast too.
What could possibly go wrong?
You could have Azza and Keogh sitting near you?

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I would love to but I get more enjoyment watching my sons playing local footy and nab league than watching Carlton ...

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 8:45 am 
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robertbb wrote:
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Omeara Worpel Mitchell

That's a pretty handy trio. Bit nervous about Saturday

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Wingard...

Clarkson sees Carlton and smells blood. :banghead:


...and for that reason plus many many more, we never want Clarkson walk through those doors at Princes Park, let alone pay him money to be our boot studder.

Clarkson imo is overrrated as much as Teague is. The difference between the two is Clarkson did a longer apprenticeship and had Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis and Roughead to do the real leading of the Hawks during their golden era.

Hawks have a really experienced hardened midfield group who seemed to go off the rails this year.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 8:51 am 
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/a-major-problem-has-emerged-with-hawthorns-starstudded-midfield-in-2021-is-it-time-to-hit-the-trade-table/news-story/94dd5611b5fa6d86ac1f4b56b27d5bae

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The bulk of Hawthorn’s remaining A-Grade talent is clearly in the middle.

But it seems remarkable that a unit featuring senior stars Jaeger O’Meara, Tom Mitchell, James Worpel, Chad Wingard, Liam Shiels and Ben McEvoy can be ranked last for clearances and centre clearances across the competition this year.


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Alastair Clarkson’s midfield headache officially became a migraine on Sunday when the onball division was shown up by North’s youngsters, including Luke Davies-Uniacke, Jy Simpkin and Ben Cunnington, continuing a worrying trend for the brown and gold.


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In his supreme Brownlow Medal year in 2018 Mitchell averaged a whopping eight clearances a game.
While his role may not be exactly the same in 2021, Mitchell’s clearance rate has dropped by half, with less than four takeaways a game.
The former Swan had only two clearances and one centre clearance against the Kangaroos.


The mastermind :lol: of the Hawks engine room, Alistair Clarkson said

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“Our defence, in the end, was just overwhelmed by the sheer avalanche of stoppage wins that the North side were able to have.
“I think we lost clearances 49 to 29 or something thereabouts, and I can’t recall teams winning games of footy when you lose by that margin in the middle of the ground.
“We need to get tougher and harder and stronger around the ball.”


Average centre bounce attendances in 2021 for hawks

Tim Mitchell 19.9

Jaeger O’Meara 19.3

James Worpell 14.9

Chad Wingard 14.5

Liam Shiels 8.4

James Cousins 8

Luke Breust 3.4

Shaun Burgoyne 2.7

SOURCE: Champion Data

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 8:59 am 
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The decline in dominance by Hawks midfeild has seen relentless pressure heaped onto the Hawk's defense this year.


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It is staggering, but Hawthorn is ranked last for time spent in possession in the back half. The Hawks average minus 12 minutes per game camped in defence.
That is twice the next worst. GWS Giants are ranked 17th with an average minus six minutes a game in the back half.
In the past, the great Hawthorn sides have intercepted and boldly attacked on the turnover, using lethal foot skills to go around the opposition on the outside and then slice them open when they looked inside.


According to Champion Data Hawks ranked 17th for scores off turnover.

Last year the Hawks got Carlton on the counter attack as the Blues would winback the ball and just bomb it to the awaiting "wall" of Hawks had set up, such was the lack of a Plan B by Teague, let alone some creativity to get around that wall.

Just hope Teague has learned his lesson. They are missing Sicily who had a field day last year.

Teams will be out tonight at 6pm. A win for the people after another failed experiment and attempt to erode the traditions of the game from the AFL Commission.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:15 am 
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So Clarkson wants his midfield group to be harder and tougher at the contest.

The Hawks will be breathing fire....maybe they have no fire in the belly.

Ed vs O'Meara (he's their most effective mid)

Walsh vs Mitchell

Cripps vs Worpel

Williams vs Wingard

Setterfield vs Shiels

Stocker vs Cousins

Hopefully throw into that mix, Martin and Fogarty

Williams vs Mitchell would be a likely match, releasing Walshy to be the running man.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:18 am 
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Barker will help them get back some form this week ...


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:18 am 
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Expect to see:

IN/OUT

Silvagni / Cuningham

Martin / Gibbons

In addition hope to see:

DeKoning / Levi or Pitto ( I think Levi will cause problems for hawks backs)

Honey / Cottrell

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