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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:55 pm 
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If the match committee drop Levi , Murph and Betts this week we might as well get rid of the MC and just allow the media to pick the team
Levi should go
Betts tinkering
Murphy is doing enough

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:59 pm 
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setters and Kennedy are to slow they will get found out at the G (again) maybe maybe Kennedy as a forward

What do you mean by 'to slow'?



To slow, or not to slow? That is moshe's question...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:21 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Heavs wrote:
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setters and Kennedy are to slow they will get found out at the G (again) maybe maybe Kennedy as a forward

What do you mean by 'to slow'?



To slow, or not to slow? That is moshe's question...


I mean - the grammar is just me being a bish. But it's a legit question - throwing out 'too slow' without context is a bit mong. Slow of foot, slow of mind, slow of possession, slow in chasing, slow in attacking, slow on the spread? Do people regularly run away from them?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:04 pm 
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B: Plowman Weitering Cottrell
HB: Docherty Jones Saad
C: Williams Cripps Petrevski-Seton
R: Pittonet Curnow Walsh
HF: Fogarty McGovern Cunningham
F: Betts McKay Kennedy
I: Stocker Murphy Newnes Honey

OUT: Casboult, Gibbons
IN: Kennedy, Honey

Locking down a back pocket spot is really the only option I can see for Cottrell as a long-term prospect. To be honest, I think he's a reserve grade player. If Parks and Newman are right to go, then it'll be hard to make a case for him.

I think Kennedy can serve a purpose in the forward line with a fairly simple brief - to promote Harry in every way. Blocks, dummy leads, etc. Again, if Silvagni can pass his fitness test, then he's our guy.

Honey is the pick of the small forwards in the ressies, but I would take an extra defender if both Parks and Newman are available.

Any combination of Stocker, Saad, Newnes & SPS on the back side of the contest on the wing/HBF.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:41 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
B: Plowman Weitering Cottrell
HB: Docherty Jones Saad
C: Williams Cripps Petrevski-Seton
R: Pittonet Curnow Walsh
HF: Fogarty McGovern Cunningham
F: Betts McKay Kennedy
I: Stocker Murphy Newnes Honey

OUT: Casboult, Gibbons
IN: Kennedy, Honey

Locking down a back pocket spot is really the only option I can see for Cottrell as a long-term prospect. To be honest, I think he's a reserve grade player. If Parks and Newman are right to go, then it'll be hard to make a case for him.

I think Kennedy can serve a purpose in the forward line with a fairly simple brief - to promote Harry in every way. Blocks, dummy leads, etc. Again, if Silvagni can pass his fitness test, then he's our guy.

Honey is the pick of the small forwards in the ressies, but I would take an extra defender if both Parks and Newman are available.

Any combination of Stocker, Saad, Newnes & SPS on the back side of the contest on the wing/HBF.


I don't want to see Wlliamson again. Not because I could never see what others hoped he would be, but his weapon, the left peg, is not that great, hardly uses it and his game sense is not AFL standard. Thankfully everyone has seen it now, he has lost confidence or never had it. Also good the media highlighted his ordinary attempts to defend or fill holes. Unaccountable. If he come good, great. I haven't seen anything of value other than his angry pills...after he's fluffed the contest.

Ditto Kennedy, but that's becaus ehe's too slow to put forward pressure on and miles tooooo slow for wing or midfield role. He's a Levi like liability in the midfield, but agree he is much better than anything Levi has offered this year. Enough is enough.

I don't think Honey is fit enough. But Gibbons doesn't deserve his spot either on recent performances

Good team otherwise. I like Eddy's efforts last week regardless of what is said in the media. So he missed 4 he normally would get. His a seasoned player and his pressure was best of the forward pressure group Murphy Fogarty and Gibbons imo


Just fix the team defense and have a spare back there instead of Russian Roulette one on one defence.

Reckon we canb win this and win it well. Pies were shit on Anzac weekend. Hence should ANZAC DAY SHOULD be rotated to a different top 8 team from the previous year, every year.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:51 pm 
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We can’t play a spare back, Bondi. It’s our worse setups and it’s been proven to be diabolical during games for us. The opposition roll their extra via the middle or half back and destroy us on the spread and we leak multiple goals.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:13 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
We can’t play a spare back, Bondi. It’s our worse setups and it’s been proven to be diabolical during games for us. The opposition roll their extra via the middle or half back and destroy us on the spread and we leak multiple goals.


its worked in the past when we were winning games, and most other teams do it.

I don't know the answer TBH Surrey. I just donm't like it being just 1 on 1 then whatever happens. That's too Russian Roulette to say we can depend on that. No other team does.

Whatever the answer it involves team defence.

Smart players know when to peel off to help out and create a 2 to 1 advantage. Marchbank was really quick to the contest as 3rd up. Plow can't do it. He l;acks that state of urgency...imo...coz I'm just gurssing with him. I can't work him out, and not a fan, but....best we've got and does other things well.

Williamson was suppose to fill the hole/ leading lane as the 7th defender from a wing (but failed) and he wasn't the answer, but there's credence in that. He is just not smart enough.

I like the way Port and Dees wingers run the lines from HFF to BP following the ball, and create an extra in support behind the ball when needed, then reload running up the ground with the ball.

Running in 2's an 3's and 4's.

OBrien and Cottrell are the only ones I can think of who can do that. Gibbons can but he doesn't have the speed. Maybe OBrien.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:16 pm 
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Parks is avaialble this week.

I don't think we know anything about him as a forward.

I don't want to test it against Effendope.
This week is not about finding out one way or another.

We need the ledger 3-4 after this weekend. Have to.

Levi is a dud. That's what I do know. Maybe Ive given up on him too early.

Come on MC make the RIGHT @#$%&! choice and calm the farm

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
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Rhys-Jones is completely right... but there's no-one to bring in.


And that myth is what is leading to our complacency bc

Take your pick(s):

Kennedy for Levi (Jones and McG can pinch hit in the ruck)
Honey/Owies for Betts
Ramsay/Dow for Murphy
Parks (if fit) for Plowman

Look...these are not perfect like for likes, nor are the reserves payers fully deserving. Having said that, are all our senior players deserving of keeping their spot? Sh1t No!!!

In a way, I don't care...DT and his coaches have got a whole week to make some tweaks, bring in something different and send a message that poor performances won't be tolerated


I don't really disagree with you, but you drop guys who are out of form for guys who are also not in amazing form just to make a change... and the players who come in are on a hiding to nothing. Someone might surprise, but Dow played okay in the VFL in the middle with a dominant ruckman feeding him the ball. If you bring him in to replace Murphy and he plays wing/half-forward and only gets 10 touches is that actually a good thing? Next thing you know Asp is posting twelve times an hour about how Dow is no good again.


Further to this:

A lot of people were splooging about the Dogs making six changes to a winning side.
The VFL team we fielded on the weekend had a total of 9 AFL listed players:

21. Dow - 46 AFL games
22 Setterield - 39 games
21 O'Brien - 37 games
22 Williamson - 35 games
19 Philp - 2 games
19 Honey - 1 game
24 Owies - 1 game Category B player...came from basketball
19 Durdin - zero games birthday 2 weeks ago
20 Ramsay - zero games


I just edited above list to include their age.

Most of the games played were gifted during the Bolton era. They weren't ready, but had a taste and or gain experience.

We don't have depth in the VFL. Kennedy is the most mature player we've got and he's 24yo. Named 23rd man, and the media are expecting them to come into the Best 22 and perform. Well, they haven't hence they are in the VFL.

Get real folks.


Get creative Teague

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:32 pm 
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I think you're onto something there 99.

He has to.

He should have forged plenty of ideas over the preseason....had 6 months to do so.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I think you're onto something there 99.

He has to.

He should have forged plenty of ideas over the preseason...

.had 6 months to do so.

Yes He had 6 months and he new we were getting Williams and Saad and we still can’t take advantage of their strengths

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Drop Murph, Eddie and Levi ? Not against any of that, but if we drop Levi who do we play on Peter Wright ? He ripped Collingwood a new one on Sunday, and he showed he's a better player than others including me thought he was.



Didn't Wright play forward?

Yes, and probably will again. Other than play Casboult on him, who else is there ?

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Play Jones as the second ruck. He's probably going to play on Wright forward, he may as well follow him into the ruck.

Issue with the one on one match ups down back are that we don't necessarily have great like for likes. I don't mind Weitering on Hooker, I assume Plowman goes to Stringer. Not sure who gets AMT. I hope it's Saad with a view to exposing his own lack of accountability.

In practice I'm sure it'll be Docherty one out and a repeat of the Port game watching Robbie Gray make him look like a dog on lino.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:14 am 
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What I’m hoping for a is Parks in for Casboult out injured. We can play Guv or Cripps or Cotters as second ruck, it doesn’t really matter.

What I expect to see is Parks and Setterfield in for Stocker and Gibbons or Cotters


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Play Jones as the second ruck. He's probably going to play on Wright forward, he may as well follow him into the ruck.

Issue with the one on one match ups down back are that we don't necessarily have great like for likes. I don't mind Weitering on Hooker, I assume Plowman goes to Stringer. Not sure who gets AMT. I hope it's Saad with a view to exposing his own lack of accountability.

In practice I'm sure it'll be Docherty one out and a repeat of the Port game watching Robbie Gray make him look like a dog on lino.


AMT is not exactly Robbie Gray...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:32 am 
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azzablue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I think you're onto something there 99.

He has to.

He should have forged plenty of ideas over the preseason...

.had 6 months to do so.

Yes He had 6 months and he new we were getting Williams and Saad and we still can’t take advantage of their strengths


They'll come good.

New rules.
Unknown frontier.
We have to adapt.
They have played with injury.
Fit this week.

Its only round 6.
Better late than never.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:34 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Play Jones as the second ruck. He's probably going to play on Wright forward, he may as well follow him into the ruck.

Issue with the one on one match ups down back are that we don't necessarily have great like for likes. I don't mind Weitering on Hooker, I assume Plowman goes to Stringer. Not sure who gets AMT. I hope it's Saad with a view to exposing his own lack of accountability.

In practice I'm sure it'll be Docherty one out and a repeat of the Port game watching Robbie Gray make him look like a dog on lino.


Leave our 2 pillars where they are FB and CHB. Stability.

I'd rather Gov go up in the ruck to give Pitto a chop out for 5 minutes here and there. Who knows...Gov might be better

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:57 am 
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What I’m hoping for a is Parks in for Casboult out injured. We can play Guv or Cripps or Cotters as second ruck, it doesn’t really matter.

What I expect to see is Parks and Setterfield in for Stocker and Gibbons or Cotters


Me too

Parks in. Levi 23rd man (is he injured, or playing injured?)

Gibbons meh

I'd like Stocker to play more.

Cottrell is the other obvious one.

If Murphy is in he has to defend. The footage they show of him, and its a lot, is indefensible.
He plays unaccountable football, and they get out of the forwardline with ease.

Something tells me he's been exposed and may stop thinking no one is noticing his shortfalls.
Shits me no end

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:25 pm 
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RE: Turnovers in the midfield

Champion Data Analyst Daniel Hoyne:

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“The fact that [Carlton] are giving up the most points in the competition in this part of the game is the sheer reason alone why they are sitting 2-4 on the ladder,”


Quote:
“On the weekend they gave up 55 points to Brisbane in this area, that’s 10 points more than their average and significantly worse than the AFL average.“


Teague needs them to either slow their ball movement down or hit up a shorter target. Maybe that's why SPS distributes those short passes when playing HBF.

Seek to understand before you're understood. Guesswork and emotional claims are not dogma. The above is empirical evidence.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:24 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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I think you're onto something there 99.

He has to.

He should have forged plenty of ideas over the preseason...

.had 6 months to do so.

Yes He had 6 months and he new we were getting Williams and Saad and we still can’t take advantage of their strengths

I doubt he was able to crystal ball his magnet board getting blown up in the first fortnight.

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