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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:03 pm 
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My changes would be:
- Kennedy for Casboult (Kennedy can play 3rd tall behind Harry and Gov. Jones can pinch hit in ruck)
- Honey for Betts or Gibbons
- Setterfield for Newnes (Setters in the middle and Williams to HBF)

We just can't keep playing Casboult…...no more excuses. Teague needs to get creative.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:10 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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I’m not sure how we have no tall options left on the list to replace Casboult but he needs to go.

Newnes, Gibbons look like list cloggers at the moment, but again no idea who to replace them with.

List management looks poor right now


Richmond won a GF with one tall fwd and Grigg second ruck

Casboult is injured and playing poorly...Be creative Teague et al. Find a solution and don't hide behind the "there's no one left at VFL level bc of injuries"

McG is in the team now...why can't he play the kick out target (or whatever its called)


What Richmond did is irrelevant now. If you get first possession out of the middle and kick to a tall leading target you’re a chance.


Our rare possessions out of the middle are hack kicks that the opp feed off. Would rather take my chances with a fit, faster and more skilled footballer than Cas right now


Agreed on dropping Casboult.

Whoever comes in won’t make us worse (within reason)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:27 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
My changes would be:
- Kennedy for Casboult (Kennedy can play 3rd tall behind Harry and Gov. Jones can pinch hit in ruck)
- Honey for Betts or Gibbons
- Setterfield for Newnes (Setters in the middle and Williams to HBF)

We just can't keep playing Casboult…...no more excuses. Teague needs to get creative.


agree we are already carrying a few in the senior side and casboult ain’t doing anything

If marlon picket can Ruck , surely they can come up with something against wright and Phillips they aren’t good Ruckman

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:19 pm 
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I can’t understand why we dropped setterfield and Dow both under 50 games played each. Dow played in both wins setterfield in 1 win and both got dropped after a win.
Yeah they had a few quiet weeks, but every week there will be a quiet player, educate don’t crucify.
Give them a spray and get games into them.
The current game is suited to youth and running not 33 & 34 year olds lumbering around. Get them back in for betts and Murphy.
But IMO the elephant in the room is can Doc and Saad play in the same backline? I’m not convinced.......


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:32 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:06 pm 
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Shasboult used to be a great mark...used to be


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:11 pm 
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Casboult won’t be dropped, but he maybe out injured. There’s no sense in playing him injured in the VFL.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:56 am 
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Drop Murph, Eddie and Levi ? Not against any of that, but if we drop Levi who do we play on Peter Wright ? He ripped Collingwood a new one on Sunday, and he showed he's a better player than others including me thought he was.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:58 am 
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Drop Murph, Eddie and Levi ? Not against any of that, but if we drop Levi who do we play on Peter Wright ? He ripped Collingwood a new one on Sunday, and he showed he's a better player than others including me thought he was.



Didn't Wright play forward?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:37 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:53 am 
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99prelim wrote:
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Rhys-Jones is completely right... but there's no-one to bring in.


And that myth is what is leading to our complacency bc

Take your pick(s):

Kennedy for Levi (Jones and McG can pinch hit in the ruck)
Honey/Owies for Betts
Ramsay/Dow for Murphy
Parks (if fit) for Plowman

Look...these are not perfect like for likes, nor are the reserves payers fully deserving. Having said that, are all our senior players deserving of keeping their spot? Sh1t No!!!

In a way, I don't care...DT and his coaches have got a whole week to make some tweaks, bring in something different and send a message that poor performances won't be tolerated


I don't really disagree with you, but you drop guys who are out of form for guys who are also not in amazing form just to make a change... and the players who come in are on a hiding to nothing. Someone might surprise, but Dow played okay in the VFL in the middle with a dominant ruckman feeding him the ball. If you bring him in to replace Murphy and he plays wing/half-forward and only gets 10 touches is that actually a good thing? Next thing you know Asp is posting twelve times an hour about how Dow is no good again.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:37 am 
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Random thought, but wondering if our lack of forward pressure is permeating through the team. Putting a defender's hat on, thinking it's best to stick with my opponent rather than run and create, knowing full well it's going to be pinging back over my head any time soon.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:42 am 
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bluechampion wrote:
99prelim wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Rhys-Jones is completely right... but there's no-one to bring in.


And that myth is what is leading to our complacency bc

Take your pick(s):

Kennedy for Levi (Jones and McG can pinch hit in the ruck)
Honey/Owies for Betts
Ramsay/Dow for Murphy
Parks (if fit) for Plowman

Look...these are not perfect like for likes, nor are the reserves payers fully deserving. Having said that, are all our senior players deserving of keeping their spot? Sh1t No!!!

In a way, I don't care...DT and his coaches have got a whole week to make some tweaks, bring in something different and send a message that poor performances won't be tolerated


I don't really disagree with you, but you drop guys who are out of form for guys who are also not in amazing form just to make a change... and the players who come in are on a hiding to nothing. Someone might surprise, but Dow played okay in the VFL in the middle with a dominant ruckman feeding him the ball. If you bring him in to replace Murphy and he plays wing/half-forward and only gets 10 touches is that actually a good thing? Next thing you know Asp is posting twelve times an hour about how Dow is no good again.


Further to this:

A lot of people were splooging about the Dogs making six changes to a winning side.
The VFL team we fielded on the weekend had a total of 9 AFL listed players:

Dow - 46 AFL games
Setterield - 39 games
O'Brien - 37 games
Williamson - 35 games
Philp - 2 games
Honey - 1 game
Owies - 1 game
Durdin - zero games
Ramsay - zero games


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:20 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
My changes would be:
- Kennedy for Casboult (Kennedy can play 3rd tall behind Harry and Gov. Jones can pinch hit in ruck)
- Honey for Betts or Gibbons
- Setterfield for Newnes (Setters in the middle and Williams to HBF)

We just can't keep playing Casboult…...no more excuses. Teague needs to get creative.


I don't mind most of this but probably not Honey just yet. He needs more time back before he is ready for the increased pace of AFL; Eddie has been the most dangerous looking small forward (both attackingly and defensively) and I think Gibbons should get more of a run in the midfield, resting forward, before we demote him.

My only concern with dropping Levi is that he may be required to play decoy for Harry to be able to have the impact he is having?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:03 pm 
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If we do drop Levi, he needs to be the Sub. Only real coverage (with McDonald injured ) for Ruck, Key Fwd and Key Back. One of those is subbed out he needs to come in.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:30 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
We're [REDACTED]


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/27/the-tweaks-justin-leppitsch-would-make-to-carltons-defensive-game-plan/

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“I thought they competed really well (against Brisbane). I think one part of their game that can be improved is the defensive part of what they do,” Leppitsch told SEN’s Whateley.

“They’re very one-on-one. One thing that is different between Carlton and most other teams is that because they’re so one-on-one, they don’t have a spare behind the footy a lot.

“They don’t have a player deep behind the ball, they don’t really challenge the opposition.

“So you’ll see Adam Saad in a lot of one-on-one contests where realistically you want to use his offensive strengths of his run and his carry.


Its fixable Donstuie.

I don't think Teague & Co's punt on how the new rules were going to impact the game.

You have to look at all the factors for our 4 losses, all less than 5 goals.

Next...we let 3 goals go through easily vs Lions, not because we didnt defend the leading lane, but because our players slipped over.

The Dome has become an ices akitng rink like it did in its early years.

We need to adapt.

Don't believe the hype in the media. Its there to sell papers and click bait.

We are not that far off, and that's not considering the improvement with the return of the plethora of injuries.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:40 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
99prelim wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Rhys-Jones is completely right... but there's no-one to bring in.


And that myth is what is leading to our complacency bc

Take your pick(s):

Kennedy for Levi (Jones and McG can pinch hit in the ruck)
Honey/Owies for Betts
Ramsay/Dow for Murphy
Parks (if fit) for Plowman

Look...these are not perfect like for likes, nor are the reserves payers fully deserving. Having said that, are all our senior players deserving of keeping their spot? Sh1t No!!!

In a way, I don't care...DT and his coaches have got a whole week to make some tweaks, bring in something different and send a message that poor performances won't be tolerated


I don't really disagree with you, but you drop guys who are out of form for guys who are also not in amazing form just to make a change... and the players who come in are on a hiding to nothing. Someone might surprise, but Dow played okay in the VFL in the middle with a dominant ruckman feeding him the ball. If you bring him in to replace Murphy and he plays wing/half-forward and only gets 10 touches is that actually a good thing? Next thing you know Asp is posting twelve times an hour about how Dow is no good again.


Further to this:

A lot of people were splooging about the Dogs making six changes to a winning side.
The VFL team we fielded on the weekend had a total of 9 AFL listed players:

21. Dow - 46 AFL games
22 Setterield - 39 games
21 O'Brien - 37 games
22 Williamson - 35 games
19 Philp - 2 games
19 Honey - 1 game
24 Owies - 1 game Category B player...came from basketball
19 Durdin - zero games birthday 2 weeks ago
20 Ramsay - zero games


I just edited above list to include their age.

Most of the games played were gifted during the Bolton era. They weren't ready, but had a taste and or gain experience.

We don't have depth in the VFL. Kennedy is the most mature player we've got and he's 24yo. Named 23rd man, and the media are expecting them to come into the Best 22 and perform. Well, they haven't hence they are in the VFL.

Get real folks.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:44 pm 
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If we do drop Levi, he needs to be the Sub. Only real coverage (with McDonald injured ) for Ruck, Key Fwd and Key Back. One of those is subbed out he needs to come in.


Absolutely.

Playing Harry 205cm and prime target, and Gov 190cm and 2nd tall target, and Kennedy 190cm as the 3rd tall target, well, other than Harry, they aren't tall, and I suspect Harry will double teamed.

One injury to a tall forward and back and if its a dry day on Sunday, I'm afraid we will be exposed in the air

Levi is a liability, and needs to be replaced. I'll leave that to the MC.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:28 pm 
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setters and Kennedy are to slow they will get found out at the G (again) maybe maybe Kennedy as a forward


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:33 pm 
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setters and Kennedy are to slow they will get found out at the G (again) maybe maybe Kennedy as a forward

What do you mean by 'to slow'?

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