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Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
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Author:  daggs001 [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
We miss JSOS and his smarts at half forward.
Our skills are horrible. Cripps and Doc high on that list.
They stopped Walsh that QTR and we had no-one else to step up.
Gray looking a match winner down the other end.
Author:  bender [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We are a class level below Port


Suppose they likely to play off for a premiership and we're hoping to make the bottom end of the 8. Hence a class below. We ok against our own level but if a side like Port plays at their best we'll find it tough to win.


we wont make the 8 Jim. if there was any thought of that, we would need a system and a plan, and from what i have seen tonight, up against the better teams, this is what we lack the most. we will get 7-8 wins, snag one we shouldnt, and finish @10 - 11.

i just dont see any game plan out there, its like they forget to play when there is pressure on.
Author:  Bluetears [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
Pretty shabby half by us. Suprised we are still this close. Cripps and wietering having their worst games for a long time. Docherty is terrible so far today also. Jones very quiet, but doing ok. If those four can get into the game we might have some chance
Author:  AGRO [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
Deflating kicking at goal and at targets - just plain embarrassing.
Author:  jim [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
bender wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We are a class level below Port


but we rebuilt, with top draft picks....


That's not our issue. Turning around a 20 years poor culture is. Recruiting ability won't fix that. That's a tough trick. Only coaches we have been remotely decent under this century have been Ratten and Teague, both given the task of turning around a rabble.
Author:  grrofunger [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
What is the plan to get the ball inside F50?

Anyone know?
Author:  Hornet [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
There we go.

Handball up the wing.

It ends with Docherty kicking a snap blindly on his left foot.

No system at all.


Systems are a problem.

Just watching Port work their way out of trouble shows process, system which creates the cohesion

We are lucky to be so close but also unlucky with our missed opportunities

We are not playing with confidence

What system would you suggest for a team of butchers?
Author:  bondiblue [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
It's a grind and I still believe we can grind a win.

If a lot goes our way

Stop the dumb footy and it will give us a chance

We have been giving it to them
Author:  bender [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
WOW wrote:
I was staggered we were close to favourites tonight

I’ll say this again, we are going nowhere

This rebuild is a bust

Losing culture and lack of player development will do that to you


you may be right, but i just dont know a way out of this, aside from start again
Author:  rhys87 [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
grrofunger wrote:
What is the plan to get the ball inside F50?

Anyone know?


2 forwards doing the minimum possible makes it hard.

Aliir 4 marks.
McGovern 2
McKay 2
Author:  Crippa [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
bender wrote:
Effes wrote:
bender wrote:
has teague lost them?


The effort is there.

From what we've seen so far he's just a mediocre coach.


fair call


The coach can’t kick the ball. If Williams, Newnes and Cripps kicked all or even some of their easy set shots we would be fine. Our kicking for goal is terrible.
Author:  Crippa [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
killpies wrote:
Our skills looked better last week


In a close 11 point win against a side that just got smacked by 62 today.

Poor opposition just made us look better last week.
Author:  bender [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
Crippa wrote:
bender wrote:
Effes wrote:
bender wrote:
has teague lost them?


The effort is there.

From what we've seen so far he's just a mediocre coach.


fair call


The coach can’t kick the ball. If Williams, Newnes and Cripps kicked all or even some of their easy set shots we would be fine. Our kicking for goal is terrible.


thats true, but the coach can develop a plan where the delivery into the forward line isnt like a drunk pissing
Author:  CK95 [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
We are just playing dumb footy. Cripps once again trying to do too much with the ball, Newnes Williams Cas missing gettable shots, mids & fwds just looking all over the shop when we attack. Seriously when we are a chance to score they all shit themselves & want to give it to someone else.

Saad has done some great things, really saved us on a couple of occasions.

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Author:  robertbb [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
bondiblue wrote:
We have too many slow players.

They are miles quicker by foot


The scary thing is, we're still playing Murphy, Casboult, Curnow and Betts. And were still losing! We should be well and truly past those guys by now.

Dow and LoB a complete waste of a draft.

Shambles.
Author:  Crippa [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
CK95 wrote:
We are just playing dumb footy. Cripps once again trying to do too much with the ball, Newnes Williams Cas missing gettable shots, mids & fwds just looking all over the shop when we attack. Seriously when we are a chance to score they all shit themselves & want to give it to someone else.

Saad has done some great things, really saved us on a couple of occasions.

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Yep Saad has been good. Fogerty again good. We will pull our new recruits back down to the Carlton level soon enough :roll:
Author:  jim [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
bender wrote:
jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We are a class level below Port


Suppose they likely to play off for a premiership and we're hoping to make the bottom end of the 8. Hence a class below. We ok against our own level but if a side like Port plays at their best we'll find it tough to win.


we wont make the 8 Jim. if there was any thought of that, we would need a system and a plan, and from what i have seen tonight, up against the better teams, this is what we lack the most. we will get 7-8 wins, snag one we shouldnt, and finish @10 - 11.

i just dont see any game plan out there, its like they forget to play when there is pressure on.


Each week is different. Sides like Port play well they'll always be too good. We are generally ok with sides at the middle of the road.

When our skills are that bad often means we are not switched on as we should be. Been and issue for 20 years. Poor culture, don't want it badly enough. Motivation comes from within and we don't have that on a regular basis. a coach can encourage it but in the end it's up to the individual. Port play for premierships, we play for the paycheck.
Author:  Lowey_47 [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
Spack Williams?

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Author:  kingkerna [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
Drewgirl wrote:
Cripps and Docherty. Just no leadership. Butcher the bull every single time. McGovern is taking the absolute piss. And why oh why cannot we kick straight. This team is the worst in the completion, and yes worse than North as they have no players and we have no excuse.....
Be tough to write a worse post than this tonight.

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Author:  bondiblue [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carlton v Port Adelaide (Match discussion)
Hornet wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
There we go.

Handball up the wing.

It ends with Docherty kicking a snap blindly on his left foot.

No system at all.


Systems are a problem.

Just watching Port work their way out of trouble shows process, system which creates the cohesion

We are lucky to be so close but also unlucky with our missed opportunities

We are not playing with confidence

What system would you suggest for a team of butchers?


The obvious improvement can come from:

Fisher > Betts
Martin > Kennedy
Silvagni > McGovern
DeKoning > Pittonet
Charlie >
Marchbank.. can't get on the ground
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