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Author: | keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
In relation to the last quarter we showed grit. No question But it was left to the same players again You can’t get away with that against the better teams |
Author: | redback [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
Dominator_7 wrote: Some of you really need to chill. Can’t always win pretty. I’ll take an ugly win over an exciting loss. Winning consistently develops culture of success and belief in ourselves Playing nice footy but losing doesn’t. I don’t care how we win as long as we do. ‘Old Carlton’ would’ve lost that. All the signs were there. But we didn’t, and closed the game out well. Come on now. 50K to the G next week to give the boys a true home ground advantage against Port Just lucky they are worst than us. Horrible skill, no intensity, slow down the line game plan in humid slippery conditions. Oh and go the bomb. |
Author: | sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:04 am ] |
Post subject: | R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
Blue4ever wrote: sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: Dominator_7 wrote: Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss. Some people in here permanently negative and depressed. Serious PTSD going on. It’s being logical You advance to the top of the ladder with 3 or 4 decent mids Have a look at last night Greenwood Miller Bowes Anderson Swallow Weller all owned us except Curnow This without a recognised ruckman Midfield depth is one of the keys to success these days You guys make me laugh with some of the comments made in this thread. I agree with Keogh about their midfield group winning the battle against our midfield group. Fortunately our backs played well and were well set up. Yeah, I think the word you’re looking for is “smashed”, you agree with that? |
Author: | Walsh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
Conditions were aweful and I thought GCS players gave it their absolute all and played out of their skins. Thats why this win makes it so good as we usually would have folded and showing maturity. |
Author: | sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:06 am ] |
Post subject: | R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
keogh wrote: sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. We won the contested possessions and only lost the clearances 46 to 39, hardly a smashing. Did you sleep through the last quarter? Our midfield generated 8 scoring shots to their 3 when the game was there to be won. How does that fit in with being smashed? How did you like Murphy’s tackles? Whomever selected Gibbons was a genius for looking in the state league comps don’t you think? In relation to Gibbons you need to tell the full story I know Andy Collins personally and he is a good judge of a footballer He was constantly talking up Gibbons in the press miffed that no AFL club wanted him So he was known to all and sundry SOS didn’t pick him originally He picked Goddard and Tom Bugg as rookie Guess where Bugg played first You guessed it GWS So don’t make out that SOS was a genius recruiter I reckon where we finish this year will be a true indicator of the messiahs recruiting legacy So are you claiming that SOS didn’t pick him? It’s an easy question. Nice deflection on the other points.... |
Author: | sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:07 am ] |
Post subject: | R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
keogh wrote: In relation to the last quarter we showed grit. No question But it was left to the same players again You can’t get away with that against the better teams Ok, so our midfield weren’t smashed? Come on, you know you can say it. |
Author: | keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. We won the contested possessions and only lost the clearances 46 to 39, hardly a smashing. Did you sleep through the last quarter? Our midfield generated 8 scoring shots to their 3 when the game was there to be won. How does that fit in with being smashed? How did you like Murphy’s tackles? Whomever selected Gibbons was a genius for looking in the state league comps don’t you think? In relation to Gibbons you need to tell the full story I know Andy Collins personally and he is a good judge of a footballer He was constantly talking up Gibbons in the press miffed that no AFL club wanted him So he was known to all and sundry SOS didn’t pick him originally He picked Goddard and Tom Bugg as rookie Guess where Bugg played first You guessed it GWS So don’t make out that SOS was a genius recruiter I reckon where we finish this year will be a true indicator of the messiahs recruiting legacy So are you claiming that SOS didn’t pick him? It’s an easy question. Nice deflection on the other points.... Yeah he picked him He also overlooked him initially which you didn’t point out What Gibbons shows is don’t overlook the next level down |
Author: | sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:14 am ] |
Post subject: | R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
keogh wrote: sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. We won the contested possessions and only lost the clearances 46 to 39, hardly a smashing. Did you sleep through the last quarter? Our midfield generated 8 scoring shots to their 3 when the game was there to be won. How does that fit in with being smashed? How did you like Murphy’s tackles? Whomever selected Gibbons was a genius for looking in the state league comps don’t you think? In relation to Gibbons you need to tell the full story I know Andy Collins personally and he is a good judge of a footballer He was constantly talking up Gibbons in the press miffed that no AFL club wanted him So he was known to all and sundry SOS didn’t pick him originally He picked Goddard and Tom Bugg as rookie Guess where Bugg played first You guessed it GWS So don’t make out that SOS was a genius recruiter I reckon where we finish this year will be a true indicator of the messiahs recruiting legacy So are you claiming that SOS didn’t pick him? It’s an easy question. Nice deflection on the other points.... Yeah he picked him He also overlooked him initially which you didn’t point out What Gibbons shows is don’t overlook the next level down So what you don’t mention is that as a recruiter SOS is flexible, learnt from his mistakes and made genius selections from state leagues. |
Author: | sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:16 am ] |
Post subject: | R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
If our forwards managed to kick 16.9 would anyone be complaining about the midfield? |
Author: | dannyboy [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
I counted 5 really easy goals we missed, 5. We need to tidy that up. |
Author: | windy [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
keogh wrote: windy wrote: YAWWWWWWWWWWN How many players do you need to play consistently well through the midfield to be a top 4 side Oh I actually went through your last 20 or so posts You don’t really offer much mate although you did say Setters wasn’t much chop I just get bored with the same old stuff from you Keogh, regurgitated time and time again. |
Author: | keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
But reading your posts your the same How many mids do you need? 3 or 4 won’t get it done No brainer |
Author: | keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
Well With SOS He got Gibbons right McGovern Setterfield the class of 2018 still have time but it ain’t looking great From the outside SOS seems to me like he is one of these guys who probably has been told how great he has been all his life He rarely has been challenged other Jo reminding him to take out the trash Rather than learn from his mistakes he sooks it flowers off then tips the bucket on the club on live radio I keep posting because only one poster has addressed the midfield issue Where is the help going to come for Walsh Cripps Curnow |
Author: | dannyboy [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
Midfield options going forward: Kemp - injured Carroll - Injured Williams - Injured Martin - Injured - I actually prefer him wing/midfield to HF but the club prefers it the other way Philip - just back from injury Ramsey - just back from injury Stocker - not sure how the club feels about him though Kennedy - think the club sees him as back up not an option Dow - I am worried O'Brien I am very worried some of the above need to advance to create the depth, class, etc in the midfield we are looking for. |
Author: | sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:20 am ] |
Post subject: | R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
Anyone bagging our midfield in last nights game is way off, they managed to nullify the GC group while generating 25 scoring chances to 19, plus there was a few shots that went out of bounds. They also managed to dominate the last quarter when the game was on the line. Why do posters focus on the midfield group while the forwards get away without a mention? |
Author: | keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
dannyboy wrote: Midfield options going forward: Kemp - injured Carroll - Injured Williams - Injured Martin - Injured - I actually prefer him wing/midfield to HF but the club prefers it the other way Philip - just back from injury Ramsey - just back from injury Stocker - not sure how the club feels about him though Kennedy - think the club sees him as back up not an option Dow - I am worried O'Brien I am very worried some of the above need to advance to create the depth, class, etc in the midfield we are looking for. Thanks DB Much appreciated Imo wins hide the cracks Looking at our next 4 weeks we will have a clearer picture |
Author: | 99prelim [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
dannyboy wrote: Midfield options going forward: Kemp - injured Carroll - Injured Williams - Injured Martin - Injured - I actually prefer him wing/midfield to HF but the club prefers it the other way Philip - just back from injury Ramsey - just back from injury Stocker - not sure how the club feels about him though Kennedy - think the club sees him as back up not an option Dow - I am worried O'Brien I am very worried some of the above need to advance to create the depth, class, etc in the midfield we are looking for. IMVHO...the club has the problem, not the highlighted players...why?...because I also see a mountain of evidence for other players who've been given ample opportunities in the 1sts but do not play to their expectation regularly |
Author: | aboynamedsue [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
dannyboy wrote: Midfield options going forward: Kemp - injured Carroll - Injured Williams - Injured Martin - Injured - I actually prefer him wing/midfield to HF but the club prefers it the other way Philip - just back from injury Ramsey - just back from injury Stocker - not sure how the club feels about him though Kennedy - think the club sees him as back up not an option Dow - I am worried O'Brien I am very worried some of the above need to advance to create the depth, class, etc in the midfield we are looking for. Cunningham is another name in the mix, although I personally think it’s forward line or bust for him. He’s never looked a genuine AFL mid to me. Fisher can go through the middle too, but it sounds like we’re trying to settle him forward. And I think everyone except Teague thinks SPS should be a mid/forward. |
Author: | 99prelim [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
sinbagger wrote: Anyone bagging our midfield in last nights game is way off, they managed to nullify the GC group while generating 25 scoring chances to 19, plus there was a few shots that went out of bounds. They also managed to dominate the last quarter when the game was on the line. Why do posters focus on the midfield group while the forwards get away without a mention? It's a combination...our mid-fwd transition looks amateurish Probably due to the decision making and execution of both groups |
Author: | keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion) |
sinbagger wrote: Anyone bagging our midfield in last nights game is way off, they managed to nullify the GC group while generating 25 scoring chances to 19, plus there was a few shots that went out of bounds. They also managed to dominate the last quarter when the game was on the line. Why do posters focus on the midfield group while the forwards get away without a mention? I agree they picked it up late But it was our defence that one us the game The midfield was beaten overall We had 42 more hit outs and lost the clearances by 7 They had 14 more turnovers That would be partly due to our pressure but also poor execution Stoppage clearances is a big concern given our ruck dominance 39 30 their way Port won the clearances 36 to 24 against a quality opponent and they are a better skilled team than GC |
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