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Play Cottrell in the middle .

Their mid field smashed us
Ed was our only winner
Our defence won us the game
That’s not going to get it done
It’s the same as last year
Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest
Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there
Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night
Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation

For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft
Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way

Teague has to play SPS in the midfield.
He was good last night but played the easy role in defence

Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got
Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing

Williams back will help
Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath
Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either
It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted

The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere.

Just on overrated players pencil in Jack Lukosius
He is a taller version of Bryce Gibbs
Great skills beautiful mover great vision but
Soft as warm butter
Give me a guy Luke Parks any day of the week to play finals footy
As I said some blokes are incredibly overrated
Some are incredibly underrated

Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss.
Some people in here permanently negative and depressed.
Serious PTSD going on.

keogh wrote:

How good was Parksy’s fair hit on him.
Now there’s a player who doesn’t take his place in the side for granted

keogh wrote:

Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t
How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years?

Dominator_7 wrote:

Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss.
Some people in here permanently negative and depressed.
Serious PTSD going on.

It’s being logical
You advance to the top of the ladder with 3 or 4 decent mids
Have a look at last night
Greenwood Miller Bowes Anderson Swallow Weller all owned us except Curnow
This without a recognised ruckman
Midfield depth is one of the keys to success these days

99prelim wrote:

keogh wrote:

Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t
How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years?

I ain’t talking shit
Kennedy has been given opportunity over others in the midfield and hasn’t consistently delivered in that area. Fact. That’s why he was delisted and rookied last year.
He is no leg speed so he is an inside mid but doesn’t quite cut the mustard
Where he is better than average is as a third tall forward
Get your facts straight
He is another SOS love child
Went pick 13 then is traded to us for pick 28
SOS picked him up twice with 2 decent separate picks
Does his AFL career output match his reputation from years earlier
No
It’s like I said before
Overrated
Underrated
To me I want to see guys who can consistently play to a level that stands up to finals pressure
To me Gibbons and Cottrell show that
Kennedy hasn’t

99prelim wrote:

keogh wrote:

Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t
How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years?

I ain’t talking shit
Kennedy has been given opportunity over others in the midfield and hasn’t consistently delivered in that area. Fact. That’s why he was delisted and rookied last year.
He is no leg speed so he is an inside mid but doesn’t quite cut the mustard
Where he is better than average is as a third tall forward
Get your facts straight
He is another SOS love child
Went pick 13 then is traded to us for pick 28
SOS picked him up twice with 2 decent separate picks
When he arrived at Carlton he clearly wasn’t fit enough
Even with a dodgy ankle not being fit enough when your a so-called professional sportsman is simply not good enough
At least his fitness has improved
Does his AFL career output match his reputation from years earlier
No
It’s like I said before
Overrated
Underrated
To me I want to see guys who can consistently play to a level that stands up to finals pressure
To me Gibbons and Cottrell show that
Kennedy hasn’t

keogh wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss.
Some people in here permanently negative and depressed.
Serious PTSD going on.

You guys make me laugh with some of the comments made in this thread.

keogh wrote:

We won the contested possessions and only lost the clearances 46 to 39, hardly a smashing.

Did you sleep through the last quarter? Our midfield generated 8 scoring shots to their 3 when the game was there to be won. How does that fit in with being smashed?

How did you like Murphy’s tackles?

Whomever selected Gibbons was a genius for looking in the state league comps don’t you think?

Author:	jezzarules [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
keogh wrote: Play Cottrell in the middle . Agree with this. Reckon he'd win a few clearances.

Author:	keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 am ]
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windy wrote: YAWWWWWWWWWWN How many players do you need to play consistently well through the midfield to be a top 4 side Oh I actually went through your last 20 or so posts You don’t really offer much mate although you did say Setters wasn’t much chop

Author:	dannyboy [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:07 am ]
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First well done Murph especially first half, I wanted you out but you played well tonight. Backline were great - is it just me or had Jones been pushed further out from goals which allows him to back himself in his marking (his intercepts have been elite these passed 2 weeks)? Has the introduction of Parks assisted with this? Great game from Curnow, has his flaws but he just goes and goes. I thought Setters was okay, brilliant no, but will be in next week. He assist the midfield and I think him on one wing and Cotters on the other is a better balance. It looked tough, the ball a bar of soap, but we were the better side all night - with better kicking it could have been a 5/6 goal win.

Author:	Blue4ever [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:14 am ]
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keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. I agree with your comments about our midfield group. Cripps not the same player since 2019, Walsh is more consistent, ED still going well but getting on in age. Who's next...... Been saying this for a long time we have a very average midfield group. I think Williams will settle in the role nicely. I'm really hoping that Stocker has the tank for the midfield, seems to have the appetite and grunt for the ball. Weak midfield group will always place extra pressure on our defence and make it harder for our forwards.

Author:	MPH78 [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:17 am ]
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Winning ugly sure beats losing pretty. Very happy to get the lessons while also taking the 4 points. Could only watch the first 3 quarters before heading out and thought for sure we would lose. Pleasantly surprised we won. Rapt in fact. That in itself is progress. Won’t be rushing to watch the replay lol. We must get better at converting territory dominance on to the scoreboard. The top sides will torch us when they get on top. The set shot misses really do my head in. In the 8 and on to a big clash next week. Let’s see where we are at. Coll Ess Rich and WCE all lost while we have won. Doesn’t happen very often...

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Author:	keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:18 am ]
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Just on overrated players pencil in Jack Lukosius He is a taller version of Bryce Gibbs Great skills beautiful mover great vision but Soft as warm butter Give me a guy Luke Parks any day of the week to play finals footy As I said some blokes are incredibly overrated Some are incredibly underrated

Author:	Dominator_7 [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:22 am ]
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Hardly a difference between post game threads after a win or loss. Some people in here permanently negative and depressed. Serious PTSD going on.

Author:	Dominator_7 [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
keogh wrote: Just on overrated players pencil in Jack Lukosius He is a taller version of Bryce Gibbs Great skills beautiful mover great vision but Soft as warm butter Give me a guy Luke Parks any day of the week to play finals footy As I said some blokes are incredibly overrated Some are incredibly underrated How good was Parksy’s fair hit on him. Now there’s a player who doesn’t take his place in the side for granted

Author:	keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
Dominator_7 wrote: Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss. Some people in here permanently negative and depressed. Serious PTSD going on. It’s being logical You advance to the top of the ladder with 3 or 4 decent mids Have a look at last night Greenwood Miller Bowes Anderson Swallow Weller all owned us except Curnow This without a recognised ruckman Midfield depth is one of the keys to success these days

Author:	99prelim [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:31 am ]
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keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years?

Author:	keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:32 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
Dominator_7 wrote: keogh wrote: Just on overrated players pencil in Jack Lukosius He is a taller version of Bryce Gibbs Great skills beautiful mover great vision but Soft as warm butter Give me a guy Luke Parks any day of the week to play finals footy As I said some blokes are incredibly overrated Some are incredibly underrated How good was Parksy’s fair hit on him. Now there’s a player who doesn’t take his place in the side for granted If you have ever watched the interview Jacko did with Sheahan for all the stupid things he said he said some things that hit the nail on the head for me Recruiters often look too hard at some things and not at other things Some blokes just think ball and that’s it Others sleep with the light on it become top 10 draft picks

Author:	Blue4ever [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:32 am ]
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Glad to get the four points and return back to Melbourne. Conditions made it very hard hence good to get the win. Defence played well. Jones is A+ for taking marks and for his spoils but struggles with is short kicks. Would prefer he kick it long rather than trying to pin point a pass. Weitering once again so composed and really becoming an a grader. SPS good as well. I thought Betts looked dangerous around goal as did Gibbons (can't believe he rode that hit and came back on) Murphy best game for the year. Cottrell provided good run and defensive efforts. I thought we lacked some composure towards the end, 12 or 13 points up with only a few minutes left and we continued to play on from marks. I noticed Saad trying to slow the game up when he took a mark. To many players just took the mark and played on. Cripps did this when marking the ball on the HFF only to turn the ball over. We really need to learn when to take the game on and when to slow the game up. We had the game won and should have iced it a little bit earlier. Anyway take the 4 points and reload for next week. Hope Plowman and Jack pull up ok. It looked like a really taxing game for the players, hope they freshen up during the week.

Author:	sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:37 am ]
Post subject:	R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. We won the contested possessions and only lost the clearances 46 to 39, hardly a smashing. Did you sleep through the last quarter? Our midfield generated 8 scoring shots to their 3 when the game was there to be won. How does that fit in with being smashed? How did you like Murphy’s tackles? Whomever selected Gibbons was a genius for looking in the state league comps don’t you think?

Author:	keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:37 am ]
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99prelim wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years? I ain’t talking shit Kennedy has been given opportunity over others in the midfield and hasn’t consistently delivered in that area. Fact. That’s why he was delisted and rookied last year. He is no leg speed so he is an inside mid but doesn’t quite cut the mustard Where he is better than average is as a third tall forward Get your facts straight He is another SOS love child Went pick 13 then is traded to us for pick 28 SOS picked him up twice with 2 decent separate picks When he arrived at Carlton he clearly wasn’t fit enough Even with a dodgy ankle not being fit enough when your a so-called professional sportsman is simply not good enough At least his fitness has improved Does his AFL career output match his reputation from years earlier No It’s like I said before Overrated Underrated To me I want to see guys who can consistently play to a level that stands up to finals pressure To me Gibbons and Cottrell show that Kennedy hasn’t

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Author:	sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:42 am ]
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keogh wrote: Dominator_7 wrote: Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss. Some people in here permanently negative and depressed. Serious PTSD going on. It’s being logical You advance to the top of the ladder with 3 or 4 decent mids Have a look at last night Greenwood Miller Bowes Anderson Swallow Weller all owned us except Curnow This without a recognised ruckman Midfield depth is one of the keys to success these days You guys make me laugh with some of the comments made in this thread.

Author:	99prelim [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:43 am ]
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keogh wrote: 99prelim wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years? I ain’t talking shit Kennedy has been given opportunity over others in the midfield and hasn’t consistently delivered in that area. Fact. That’s why he was delisted and rookied last year. He is no leg speed so he is an inside mid but doesn’t quite cut the mustard Where he is better than average is as a third tall forward Get your facts straight He is another SOS love child Went pick 13 then is traded to us for pick 28 SOS picked him up twice with 2 decent separate picks Does his AFL career output match his reputation from years earlier No It’s like I said before Overrated Underrated To me I want to see guys who can consistently play to a level that stands up to finals pressure To me Gibbons and Cottrell show that Kennedy hasn’t Yeah you are...big time

Author:	sinbagger [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:45 am ]
Post subject:	R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
keogh wrote: 99prelim wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. Give us your adnauseam armageddon scenarios BUT stop talking sh1111111t How much exposure have we had to Kennedy the last 2-3 years? I ain’t talking shit Kennedy has been given opportunity over others in the midfield and hasn’t consistently delivered in that area. Fact. That’s why he was delisted and rookied last year. He is no leg speed so he is an inside mid but doesn’t quite cut the mustard Where he is better than average is as a third tall forward Get your facts straight He is another SOS love child Went pick 13 then is traded to us for pick 28 SOS picked him up twice with 2 decent separate picks When he arrived at Carlton he clearly wasn’t fit enough Even with a dodgy ankle not being fit enough when your a so-called professional sportsman is simply not good enough At least his fitness has improved Does his AFL career output match his reputation from years earlier No It’s like I said before Overrated Underrated To me I want to see guys who can consistently play to a level that stands up to finals pressure To me Gibbons and Cottrell show that Kennedy hasn’t Gee that Silvagni guy plays ok when the pressure is on doesn’t he?

Author:	Blue4ever [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: Dominator_7 wrote: Hardly a difference between in post game threads after a win or loss. Some people in here permanently negative and depressed. Serious PTSD going on. It’s being logical You advance to the top of the ladder with 3 or 4 decent mids Have a look at last night Greenwood Miller Bowes Anderson Swallow Weller all owned us except Curnow This without a recognised ruckman Midfield depth is one of the keys to success these days You guys make me laugh with some of the comments made in this thread. I agree with Keogh about their midfield group winning the battle against our midfield group. Fortunately our backs played well and were well set up.

Author:	Donstuie [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
Happy to bank 4 points, but that was horrid.

Author:	keogh [ Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: R4: Gold Coast v Carlton (Post match discussion)
sinbagger wrote: keogh wrote: Their mid field smashed us Ed was our only winner Our defence won us the game That’s not going to get it done It’s the same as last year Cripps Walsh Curnow the rest Gibbons is our next best and is finally getting a crack in there Cottrell showed some intensity on a wing last night Should of played round one but guys like Setterfield and Dow O’Brien are picked because of their reputation For years some blokes internally are overrated largely due to where they were picked in the draft Cuningham Dow O’Brien Setterfield have been given opportunities over others and have failed. They have been giving decent long term contracts as well where a guy like Gibbons or Cottrell who to me are better players have to fight every step of the way Teague has to play SPS in the midfield. He was good last night but played the easy role in defence Play Philp( another with a long term deal) Stocker Honey Ramsay see what they have got Play Cottrell in the middle Honey on a wing Williams back will help Martin has been tried in the midfield but has failed so far. Give him a go there although don’t hold your breath Kennedy is average. He has been tried there and not come up with the goods either It’s easy to look good when you come on when everyone is rooted The bottom line is if you have 4 consistently good mids your going nowhere. We won the contested possessions and only lost the clearances 46 to 39, hardly a smashing. Did you sleep through the last quarter? Our midfield generated 8 scoring shots to their 3 when the game was there to be won. How does that fit in with being smashed? How did you like Murphy’s tackles? Whomever selected Gibbons was a genius for looking in the state league comps don’t you think? In relation to Gibbons you need to tell the full story I know Andy Collins personally and he is a good judge of a footballer He was constantly talking up Gibbons in the press miffed that no AFL club wanted him So he was known to all and sundry SOS didn’t pick him originally He picked Goddard and Tom Bugg as rookie Guess where Bugg played first You guessed it GWS So don’t make out that SOS was a genius recruiter I reckon where we finish this year will be a true indicator of the messiahs recruiting legacy