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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:33 pm 
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No mention of Plow in the injury report, so it might well be
OUT: Silvagni
IN: Williams.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:01 pm 
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If Williams returns that's pretty quick from a calf. But I've got total faith in our rehab staff...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:06 pm 
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I have been optimistic about Dow’s potential across the journey but even I would be surprised if he keeps his spot this week.
Needs to go back to VFL and learn about leather poisoning.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:09 pm 
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I didn't think the report was particularly bullish about Williams

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:39 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
If Williams returns that's pretty quick from a calf. But I've got total faith in our rehab staff...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:48 am 
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And just quietly, the loss to Collingwood looks really bad now.
Yes, they played their best match probably for the season after getting flogged for a terrible effort the week before but we really should have beaten them.
If we can beat Port and/or Brisbane, I’ll get past it. But what an opportunity gone missing to get ahead of the ledger!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:39 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
McDonald out for 3 months
Wait.. what?

What did I miss?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:41 am 
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And just quietly, the loss to Collingwood looks really bad now.
Yes, they played their best match probably for the season after getting flogged for a terrible effort the week before but we really should have beaten them.
If we can beat Port and/or Brisbane, I’ll get past it. But what an opportunity gone missing to get ahead of the ledger!



I think that is our biggest hurdle .. sides have confidence against us and turn on their best because they have beaten us in the past .. they don't have any doubts about beating us etc ... I'm nervous about the hawks more than anyone because of this.

Port we seem to go okay against and with there outs it gives us a real chance on the mcg. Same for the lions.

Think we have a huge opportunity over the next few weeks to really set up our season. Get a few wins together against sides that will be in the 8 is critical too see our improvement from last year. If we fail (like we did last year at the end of the year) I have my doubts about if we have improved at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:49 pm 
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Asp wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Asp wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
We're a month in now, so I think you can start to judge players with a reasonable amount of data.

I'm not as set against Dow as some others but he's averaging 12.5 disposals across the first month, and statistically speaking, his best game was his first.
Setterfield is averaging 13.7 from three games, although that's skewed slightly by a very quiet game against Collingwood.

Every other player who mostly plays midfield is putting up better numbers in the opening month, so these two are the current 'weak links' in the midfield rotation.

From all reports the next three cabs off the rank for the midfield are Kennedy, Cunningham and Stocker.
Kennedy might make us a little slow in midfield (although against a midfield featuring Wines and Boak that might not be a huge issue).
Cunningham has pace, but doesn't really play full midfield minutes, so he's not a real replacement mid.
Stocker is a big chance.

Across the rest of the ground, you can sort-of point to moments in each game where most of the current best 22 did *something* to justify their spot (although in the case of Casboult the something is being able to ruck, and generally "working hard").

Of replacements or suspects?

However, I don't actually expect us to make four changes to a winning team, assuming JSos is out and Plowman ends up being sore. We rarely make that many changes.

In regards to Silvagni, the obvious options are McDonald, McGovern or going smaller with Cunningham. Given how tall Port play up forward, I'd be tempted by McDonald as a swingman.

If Plowman is out, I'd play McDonald for the same reasons. Port play tall up forward with Dixon, Ladhams / Marshall and Georgiades. We probably need another tall option down back. I'd also think about playing Casboult back on Dixon, but we rarely mix things up like that.


So if anyone seriously thinks that an average of 12.5 disposals over 4 games for a midfielder is OK, and one kick and 8 possessions for a midfielder against Gold Coast in a winning team is OK then they need to give me the name of their drug dealer. He must have some pretty good gear.
There are 6 players in the reserves that are better than spud Dow, but he will probably get picked again after his great one kick game on "potential", which he does not have an ounce of.


Good call.

Slightly off topic but I reckon Mark Williams is having an influence on the 4-0 Demons.


Mark Williams has always had a great reputation for teaching young players the basics of the game. Can be a prickly customer but a pity pity we didn't grab him when he was available. His father Fos coached 10 or so SANFL premierships from memory and his brother coached a few as well and Mark coached the Power's first premiership against Brisbane who were going for four in a row. If Teague was to get hit by a bus Williams and Paul Roos would be at the top of my list.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:19 pm 
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GMCbris wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
McDonald out for 3 months
Wait.. what?

What did I miss?

Accord to Russell on the CFC website bone stress fracture in the lower back.

Only at Carlton.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:27 pm 
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Ramsay in?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:29 pm 
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Back stress fractures are becoming the norm ....... :banghead:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:30 pm 
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Ramsay in?


Why not - do it !


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:48 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
No mention of Plow in the injury report, so it might well be
OUT: Silvagni
IN: Williams.


So you would keep one kick Dow at the expense of a good kid from the reserves ?????


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:58 pm 
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Surely we need to find another backup ruck in the mid season draft?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:50 am 
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Asp wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
No mention of Plow in the injury report, so it might well be
OUT: Silvagni
IN: Williams.


So you would keep one kick Dow at the expense of a good kid from the reserves ?????


Leaving aside your deep appreciation for Dow, this is not MY desire, it's what I expect will happen. If you look further back onto the thread, you'll see some I've engaged in further discussion re: Dow.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:03 pm 
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I’m guessing McGovern and Williams in for JSOS and Dow.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:31 pm 
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Would it be a major surprise if Plowman missed? He looked in agony when he had the knee clash

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:32 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Would it be a major surprise if Plowman missed? He looked in agony when he had the knee clash

Maybe not and same for Eddie

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:07 pm 
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What was up with Eddie?

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