I totally disagree with Keogh here. Playing players now to see what they have got is a waste of time.
It's easy to play when the season is shot and nothing to play for.
Every year we pull up stumps and start getting games into young players and we get a false sense of security as they look good.
We put them in at the start of the next season and they under perform.
It is wash rinse repeat.

If we are going to get anywhere these blokes must play at a level where selection can't be ignored

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We are getting there - just expectations this year and likely next year if we win a few games on the trot will again be unrealistic until the list is added with AFL standard talent.

Yeah, I too think we are only a few players short.
Lets say 6.

This year players have gone backwards.
Did any of those drop off the edge, and finished?

What about players underdeveloped?
Can any of those high picks be developed?

What about virtually untried Honey, Kemp, Ramsay, Carroll, Durdin

...and the imports will be better for the year they have, Maybe not Fog.

Nothing stopping Austin getting a couple seriously good mids and support for KPD end of year.

Boyd looks quick with great disposal.

No doubt Charlie Curnow would make us an inch taller too

There's plenty there to make paint a good picture.

I'm still a glass half full, but with Teague coaching I know what to expect week in week out.

Time almost for a change...something has to change...not because its Carlton, but the right thing to do...and do it properly.

I'm not fussed if Teague stays for the rest of the year, but FFS lets do it with purpose looking at 2022.

The current list is not good enough
How much more evidence do you want
Owies has been given a go and gone alright
Why not try others
And make the guys on massive coin accountable for culture
I guarantee you there would be team mates questioning Martins inclusion if he plays this week
He simply doesn’t warrant a selection in the seniors on the shit he has dished up the last 3 weeks
After straight back in after injury
Williams squibbed it the first 10 seconds of the game
His previous game was ok but if your paying someone $850000 a season and he dished up that crap we saw on the weekend drop him and let him show the selectors he can learn to man up get a hard ball and not just get cheap and easy stats as a floating half back

Personally as you know paying this guy so much for 6 years when he played one decent game as a mid in 8 years was ridiculous
We have him now
Make him accountable

You keep making this about individuals . I don't care who you draft on the list what players you bring in or how much you pay them it won't make one bit of difference.
If there isn't enough evidence by now to show you that it is not who you recruit or who gets a game in front of someone else.
If we have to rely on that we are going no where fast.
Unfortunately I think the club has had this mindset and it clearly doesn't work.
Gold Coast has had access to the very best and hasn't worked, you cannot fabricate a team and going around state leagues hoping for a gem is fruitless as they are one in a million.

You think if we swap player x for player y it will work out.
It won't. It shouldn't matter if it is player z if the system is in place it shouldn't make a difference.

The reason we are so bad is because we have made it about individuals and not a team. We think if we suddenly elevate some one up they will be good.

It doesn't work if you want a game you have to show you deserve it. Those years under Bolton gifting games to SPS Dow Fisher Obrien have made them bad footballers


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So after a that would you drop Martin for Carroll
Carroll played well this week
Honey was ok too
All play similar positions

Carroll played his first decent game. Let the kid find his feet before we throw him to the wolves.

You reckon where 6 short
Name the 22

What body of work has Carroll done to be gifted a game. Martin has been ordinary for the last few weeks granted. But Carroll plays one good game against the worst midfield in the VFL and you say he should just get given a go.
How about Carroll does that for 8 to 10 games and shows he is ready.

What you are suggesting is why we are so shit.
We look at what is in front of us and don't like it so we turn sideways and grab whatever looks OK.

Did you watch Parks he was bloody woeful but a few weeks ago you were calling for him to replace Plowman.

Chucking kids in for the sake of it doesn't work

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Absolutely agree , no point in rushing the youngsters, let them show so dazzling flashes in the 2nds of the least a month then progress him up to the big stage.

Yeah, I'm with Syd. Keogh is proposing more of the same, just trash it all every few years and start again. Maybe this time we'll get it right. Trouble with your approach, keogh, is you just look for any reason to throw players you're set against into the bin. Case in point, Newnes. He's had a poor season, granted, and it's a bit of a mystery, but he was a very solid contributor last year, a rare successful UFA pickup that nearly all fans would gladly have near the bottom of their 22. But in your eyes, nope, done and dusted. That recruiter whose article was linked to in another thread says he always judges players at their best, not their worst, because it's more useful to know what a player is capable of. You judge players at their worst, hence you want to retain about 4 or 5 players and delist everyone else, and you want the MC to swing a dozen changes every week. It's fantasy football, and it won't work.

All I know about his Saints career is that he played a huge number of consecutive games, so he must have done alright. Like I said, a solid contributor. Seemed to have more run and stronger than most of our squad whenever I watched. Never mind the goal (which I never mentioned, but I guess you had to, to strengthen your hand), the fact that he was ever-present for us shows that the MC also valued his contribution. OK so you don't rate him, and that's fine, but how can you just say a stalwart like Newnes is finished, when he's 28 years old and not had major injuries? Baby, meet bathwater.

He has virtually no defensive side to his game
He plays “ nice” footy
StKilda delisted him

I thought St Kilda offered him a contract but he chose us?