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It’s recruiting.
Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

I’m open to trading both captains. I’d delist Newman, Newnes, Murphy, Levi and Eddie.

The list lacks balance and depth, except for HBFs. We’ve committed to Saad and Williams so may as well back them in.

If Jed Bews is still a FA I’d target him. See if North want picks and ask about Cunnington. Get some guys that win their position and see if it can spread through the group.

We need some blue collar effort

DesEnglish wrote:

Both Murphy and Eddie will give it away come Round 23

Would love Cunnington

Our structures and setups are a shambles.
Forget injuries, etc. Watch our players run back to defend space, watch the opposition players run passed them and create space. Watch our players refuse to win the ball but wait for the opposition to win and then either try and tackle them or worse hold their space and give them time to execute a disposal.
Watch our players look at each other not knowing what to do. Watch our players have little confidence in knowing what to do or each other, except kick it blindly long down the line. Watch our players have no system in run and carry into our F50.
It’s coaching and up until today, I was still not 100% in sacking Teague but he is done.

It’s recruiting.

Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

It’s recruiting.
Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

keogh wrote:

It’s recruiting.
Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there....

keogh wrote:

It’s recruiting.
Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there....

keogh wrote:

It’s recruiting.
Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there....

Watching Hawks v Dons at the moment. 2 teams that we've beaten this year and in a matter of weeks they've zoomed passed us. They would flog us right now.

Navy One wrote:

Watching Hawks v Dons at the moment. 2 teams that we've beaten this year and in a matter of weeks they've zoomed passed us. They would flog us right now.

Sad but true

SurreyBlue wrote:

Again went for the wrong coach, judd was right

keogh wrote:

It’s recruiting.

Start again
Trade Cripps SPS
Get 4 picks in the first 40
Start another rebuild
Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on

If only they have the balls

*Bags recruiting ad nauseum for years*
*Suggests recruiting more players*

The last 2 weeks I think has demonstrated that we as Carlton supporters have had a gut full
It’s time for the club to realize that this reset rebuild whatever you want to call it hasn’t work
Experiment the last 8 weeks
Play kids
Be ruthless
Look to the future
Do it now

Donstuie wrote:

*Bags recruiting ad nauseum for years*
*Suggests recruiting more players*

We have recruited the wrong recruiters to recruit.
That’s the board’s doing.
Given Austin was given the job as head recruiter which wasn’t in the plan because of Silvangi’s arrogance was it his decision to recruit Williams Saad and Fogarty
All three are limited players
2 are on ridiculous money
2 cost us picks
It hasn’t worked
It don’t matter what you call it we need to start again

We have got Martin McGovern Williams Saad for a long time on significant coin whether we like it or not
So we have to work with them
Don’t play them in the seniors if they don’t perform
If Martin plays next Sunday that’s a joke
Play Carroll
I would drop Betts
Bring him back for a farewell game with Murphy
Give Ramsay Honey game time
Newnes done and dusted

Silvangi tries but honestly he isn’t up to it
Too slow doesn’t do enough
Teague must start now in resetting
Play Owies in the midfield for short periods
See what he brings I like his aggressive attitude. He may bring something to the table for next year
Play DeKoning more as a the first ruck now. He needs to be fast tracked
Throw Stocker in the midfield for minutes
Give Kemp a taste of senior footy for a few weeks even if he is struggling
Why play him in defence in the reserves. Play him as a mid
Carroll play him for an extended period on a wing.
Docherty needs a new role
Play him forward
Play Williamson for the last few weeks on a wing. His best is good
If he fails delist him

Teague needs to find out what he has got in his repertoire for 2022.

Because the list is no good
Betts
Murphy
O’Brien
Casboult
Curnow
Silvangi
I would delist
I would trade out Cripps and SPS
That hopefully give us 4 good picks in the draft to recruit talent
3 mids and a key defender
Hopefully Charlie will be back
Marchbank maybe
Cunningham Dow Setterfield etc are contracted till 2022
If they dish up the same crap next year see you later
And give Weitering the captaincy
I reckon he would be a terrific leader
Because the list is not good enough
Poor recruiting
A board who are not savvy enough to know what it takes to be successful in the AFL on field
And for 20 years have taken dumb shortcuts

The last 2 weeks I think has demonstrated that we as Carlton supporters have had a gut full
It’s time for the club to realize that this reset rebuild whatever you want to call it hasn’t work
Experiment the last 8 weeks
Play kids
Be ruthless
Look to the future
Do it now

Author:	WOW [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:51 am ]
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keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on I suggest the club steers away from word rebuild and the specific number of games. Monumental failure. I see it as a reset and maintaining your quality core and building around those players. Through trading out, draft and game styles. Will require a miracle for us to be contending in the next two years and winning that elusive premiership expected by the club by 2023 (laughable).

Author:	DesEnglish [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:06 am ]
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I’m open to trading both captains. I’d delist Newman, Newnes, Murphy, Levi and Eddie. The list lacks balance and depth, except for HBFs. We’ve committed to Saad and Williams so may as well back them in. If Jed Bews is still a FA I’d target him. See if North want picks and ask about Cunnington. Get some guys that win their position and see if it can spread through the group. We need some blue collar effort

Author:	Navy One [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:12 am ]
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DesEnglish wrote: I’m open to trading both captains. I’d delist Newman, Newnes, Murphy, Levi and Eddie. The list lacks balance and depth, except for HBFs. We’ve committed to Saad and Williams so may as well back them in. If Jed Bews is still a FA I’d target him. See if North want picks and ask about Cunnington. Get some guys that win their position and see if it can spread through the group. We need some blue collar effort Both Murphy and Eddie will give it away come Round 23 Would love Cunnington

Author:	DesEnglish [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:23 am ]
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Navy One wrote: DesEnglish wrote: I’m open to trading both captains. I’d delist Newman, Newnes, Murphy, Levi and Eddie. The list lacks balance and depth, except for HBFs. We’ve committed to Saad and Williams so may as well back them in. If Jed Bews is still a FA I’d target him. See if North want picks and ask about Cunnington. Get some guys that win their position and see if it can spread through the group. We need some blue collar effort Both Murphy and Eddie will give it away come Round 23 Would love Cunnington Murphy and Betts is about list spots, I understand they’ll give it away. Expect Levi to pull the pin too

Author:	redback [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:26 am ]
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SurreyBlue wrote: Our structures and setups are a shambles. Forget injuries, etc. Watch our players run back to defend space, watch the opposition players run passed them and create space. Watch our players refuse to win the ball but wait for the opposition to win and then either try and tackle them or worse hold their space and give them time to execute a disposal. Watch our players look at each other not knowing what to do. Watch our players have little confidence in knowing what to do or each other, except kick it blindly long down the line. Watch our players have no system in run and carry into our F50. It’s coaching and up until today, I was still not 100% in sacking Teague but he is done. Again went for the wrong coach, judd was right keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on If only they have the balls

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Author:	SurreyBlue [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:46 am ]
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keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there....

Author:	Mickstar [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:56 am ]
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SurreyBlue wrote: keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there.... Let say we get someone onfield who can lead by example ala Barassi style..........yeah Selwood......nah,our board would be too many offs and butts,wouldn't have the guts unlike the old days when HARD men led the club.

Author:	bmaurizio [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:56 am ]
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SurreyBlue wrote: keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there.... Yup spot on, it’s clear as day, action has to be taken, 4 -13 speaks volumes of were we are certainly the pandemic hindered Teaugue , teams development , culture and general progress. But supporters have suffered for a few decades, time to change modus operandi.

Author:	jamespul65 [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:31 pm ]
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i agree trade cripps bring in picks and a player ,trade sps for picks or a player and get doc away from defence .

Author:	Donstuie [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:48 pm ]
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Bags recruiting ad nauseum for years Suggests recruiting more players

Author:	Bookie [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:04 pm ]
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The CFC listed reserves players make fundamental skill and decision errors at that level, it's baffling to see SPS (9 clangers), LOB, Willo, Levi, Murphy, Cottrell, plod against a makeshift Port Melbourne. Port are 21st on the ladder FFS at 1 and 5.

Author:	WOW [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:45 pm ]
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SurreyBlue wrote: keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on How many times can we rebuild before we truly work out what the issue is, CULTURE. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, get a Wes Lofts (Neil Balme) in off field and start from there.... We definitely have a cultural issue, which I am confident is the biggest issue However, our player development and recruiting is substandard.Recruiting half back flankers on big salaries smacks of a club that is desperate for success but has no idea about building premiership lists. There are gaps on our list that need to be filled. Simply changing coaches won’t make a huge difference if all aspects of the football operations is not improved.

Author:	Navy One [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:27 pm ]
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Watching Hawks v Dons at the moment. 2 teams that we've beaten this year and in a matter of weeks they've zoomed passed us. They would flog us right now.

Author:	rhino27 [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:31 pm ]
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Navy One wrote: Watching Hawks v Dons at the moment. 2 teams that we've beaten this year and in a matter of weeks they've zoomed passed us. They would flog us right now. Sad but true

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Author:	Donstuie [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:51 pm ]
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rhino27 wrote: Navy One wrote: Watching Hawks v Dons at the moment. 2 teams that we've beaten this year and in a matter of weeks they've zoomed passed us. They would flog us right now. Sad but true Both teams have one thing in abundance that we lack. Swagger. Neither team is as good as us, but they go out there like peacocks showing off their feathers, while we (to borrow a line from an online commenter) look like boys from Xavier College after being dropped off by their range-rover driving mums. Those teams embrace and celebrate their swagger, while we send ours to the back pocket to play on the most dangerous small forward.

Author:	Stranger [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:00 pm ]
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redback wrote: SurreyBlue wrote: Our structures and setups are a shambles. Forget injuries, etc. Watch our players run back to defend space, watch the opposition players run passed them and create space. Watch our players refuse to win the ball but wait for the opposition to win and then either try and tackle them or worse hold their space and give them time to execute a disposal. Watch our players look at each other not knowing what to do. Watch our players have little confidence in knowing what to do or each other, except kick it blindly long down the line. Watch our players have no system in run and carry into our F50. It’s coaching and up until today, I was still not 100% in sacking Teague but he is done. Again went for the wrong coach, judd was right keogh wrote: It’s recruiting. Start again Trade Cripps SPS Get 4 picks in the first 40 Start another rebuild Drop players for lack of effort regardless of the money their on If only they have the balls The club hasn’t that’s our biggest problem we are the one who trade in players giving away draft picks instead of trading out players with some currencies I am all for it trading Cripps let Kennedy play that role I know he is no Cripps but he gives everything he has got and at least he spread and runs both ways

Author:	keogh [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:13 pm ]
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Donstuie wrote: Bags recruiting ad nauseum for years Suggests recruiting more players We have recruited the wrong recruiters to recruit. That’s the board’s doing. Given Austin was given the job as head recruiter which wasn’t in the plan because of Silvangi’s arrogance was it his decision to recruit Williams Saad and Fogarty All three are limited players 2 are on ridiculous money 2 cost us picks It hasn’t worked It don’t matter what you call it we need to start again We have got Martin McGovern Williams Saad for a long time on significant coin whether we like it or not So we have to work with them Don’t play them in the seniors if they don’t perform If Martin plays next Sunday that’s a joke Play Carroll I would drop Betts Bring him back for a farewell game with Murphy Give Ramsay Honey game time Newnes done and dusted Silvangi tries but honestly he isn’t up to it Too slow doesn’t do enough Teague must start now in resetting Play Owies in the midfield for short periods See what he brings I like his aggressive attitude. He may bring something to the table for next year Play DeKoning more as a the first ruck now. He needs to be fast tracked Throw Stocker in the midfield for minutes Give Kemp a taste of senior footy for a few weeks even if he is struggling Why play him in defence in the reserves. Play him as a mid Carroll play him for an extended period on a wing. Docherty needs a new role Play him forward Play Williamson for the last few weeks on a wing. His best is good If he fails delist him Teague needs to find out what he has got in his repertoire for 2022. Because the list is no good Betts Murphy O’Brien Casboult Curnow Silvangi I would delist I would trade out Cripps and SPS That hopefully give us 4 good picks in the draft to recruit talent 3 mids and a key defender Hopefully Charlie will be back Marchbank maybe Cunningham Dow Setterfield etc are contracted till 2022 If they dish up the same crap next year see you later And give Weitering the captaincy I reckon he would be a terrific leader Because the list is not good enough Poor recruiting A board who are not savvy enough to know what it takes to be successful in the AFL on field And for 20 years have taken dumb shortcuts The last 2 weeks I think has demonstrated that we as Carlton supporters have had a gut full It’s time for the club to realize that this reset rebuild whatever you want to call it hasn’t work Experiment the last 8 weeks Play kids Be ruthless Look to the future Do it now

Author:	bluehammer [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:50 pm ]
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keogh wrote: The last 2 weeks I think has demonstrated that we as Carlton supporters have had a gut full It’s time for the club to realize that this reset rebuild whatever you want to call it hasn’t work Experiment the last 8 weeks Play kids Be ruthless Look to the future Do it now I'm with you keogh. On paper we have an 'easier' run home. Do we let senior player who have underperformed get some junk supercoach points, or do we find out what we have. Some would say 'don't gift players games' That's exactly what we're doing at the moment with half our list. We have a coaching team who didn't try anything positional yesterday. Nothing. Didn't swing our defensive match ups around much, didn't try a Jones or Weitering up forward for a ten minute burst, didn't mess with our gold plated centre square setup, try Walsh forward or make any kind of bold play to arrest what clearly wasn't working. If I'm wrong, I don't think I'm that wrong. Let's see who's prepared to dig in and dig in hard. Hell, even lay a tackle.

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:58 pm ]
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keogh wrote: Donstuie wrote: Bags recruiting ad nauseum for years Suggests recruiting more players We have recruited the wrong recruiters to recruit. That’s the board’s doing. Given Austin was given the job as head recruiter which wasn’t in the plan because of Silvangi’s arrogance was it his decision to recruit Williams Saad and Fogarty All three are limited players 2 are on ridiculous money 2 cost us picks It hasn’t worked It don’t matter what you call it we need to start again We have got Martin McGovern Williams Saad for a long time on significant coin whether we like it or not So we have to work with them Don’t play them in the seniors if they don’t perform If Martin plays next Sunday that’s a joke Play Carroll I would drop Betts Bring him back for a farewell game with Murphy Give Ramsay Honey game time Newnes done and dusted Silvangi tries but honestly he isn’t up to it Too slow doesn’t do enough Teague must start now in resetting Play Owies in the midfield for short periods See what he brings I like his aggressive attitude. He may bring something to the table for next year Play DeKoning more as a the first ruck now. He needs to be fast tracked Throw Stocker in the midfield for minutes Give Kemp a taste of senior footy for a few weeks even if he is struggling Why play him in defence in the reserves. Play him as a mid Carroll play him for an extended period on a wing. Docherty needs a new role Play him forward Play Williamson for the last few weeks on a wing. His best is good If he fails delist him Teague needs to find out what he has got in his repertoire for 2022. Because the list is no good Betts Murphy O’Brien Casboult Curnow Silvangi I would delist I would trade out Cripps and SPS That hopefully give us 4 good picks in the draft to recruit talent 3 mids and a key defender Hopefully Charlie will be back Marchbank maybe Cunningham Dow Setterfield etc are contracted till 2022 If they dish up the same crap next year see you later And give Weitering the captaincy I reckon he would be a terrific leader Because the list is not good enough Poor recruiting A board who are not savvy enough to know what it takes to be successful in the AFL on field And for 20 years have taken dumb shortcuts The last 2 weeks I think has demonstrated that we as Carlton supporters have had a gut full It’s time for the club to realize that this reset rebuild whatever you want to call it hasn’t work Experiment the last 8 weeks Play kids Be ruthless Look to the future Do it now As outrageous as you are keogh, if there's a like button, i'd press it right this minute, such is my disdain for the current 'lot' us supporters have endured. Hey, I disagree with a lot, but it doesn't hurt anymore. I guess I will sober up tomorrow, and it will all have been a nightmare that went for 20 years.

Author:	Walsh [ Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:10 pm ]
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We are getting there - just expectations this year and likely next year if we win a few games on the trot will again be unrealistic until the list is added with AFL standard talent.