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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:45 pm 
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wonder out of the following players we should trade ,sps,setters,kennedy. sps and setters what is there worth ?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:29 pm 
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Frankly, I doubt any of them would have much trade currency. If we can snare a pick under #30 for any of them (and I doubt we can, but maybe SPS) I would grab it. Setterfield looked good last year but he has lost me this season.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:51 pm 
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The main excuse for losing our clearances is our ruck.

Tom DeKoning is the future, but he is years away from having the body to stand up to the heavyweights.

Pitto is the senior ruck on our list, and competitive, but he doesn't seem to be the dominant ruck our emerging midfield group need.

If we could Trade for a strong Ruckman to take No.1 mantle from Pitto whilst DeKoning grows his game as the Fwd-ruck then I'm all for it.

Then we can add a KPD to our list incase Jones or Weitering get injured.
Who knows how long Marchbank will take to return to the team, and he's not a KPD, he's more the elite intercepting tall, similar to Jake Lever.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:52 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Frankly, I doubt any of them would have much trade currency. If we can snare a pick under #30 for any of them (and I doubt we can, but maybe SPS) I would grab it. Setterfield looked good last year but he has lost me this season.


I'm in the same camp.

I wonder why Setterfield has fallen off the pace?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:34 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I wonder why Setterfield has fallen off the pace?
Me too bondi. Last year his progression was noticeable, but definitely gone backwards this year, and that was prior to the hand injury that was obviously a setback. I keep asking myself what's his weapon, his standout trait or ability? Best I've been able to come up with is his work in-tight and ability to find a teammate by hand in congestion, maybe I'm missing something, but that alone won't be enough. Not enough pace, not a particularly penetrating kick, not especially strong, not aggressive, not great overhead - just adequate, or worse, in so many areas. Perhaps he's just the stereotypical "good ordinary player"?


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 Post subject: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:25 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Frankly, I doubt any of them would have much trade currency. If we can snare a pick under #30 for any of them (and I doubt we can, but maybe SPS) I would grab it. Setterfield looked good last year but he has lost me this season.


Just got to give Setters next year to show his wares, he has ability just has to want it enough. Got a battle on his hands to get into the side at the moment if Kennedy and Dow keep up recent output.


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 Post subject: List Management 2021
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snakehips wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I wonder why Setterfield has fallen off the pace?
Me too bondi. Last year his progression was noticeable, but definitely gone backwards this year, and that was prior to the hand injury that was obviously a setback. I keep asking myself what's his weapon, his standout trait or ability? Best I've been able to come up with is his work in-tight and ability to find a teammate by hand in congestion, maybe I'm missing something, but that alone won't be enough. Not enough pace, not a particularly penetrating kick, not especially strong, not aggressive, not great overhead - just adequate, or worse, in so many areas. Perhaps he's just the stereotypical "good ordinary player"?


Kennedy being in has shown up setters for aggression/desire, also winning more of the ball recently than setters ever has and good overhead mark.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:18 pm 
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snakehips wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I wonder why Setterfield has fallen off the pace?
Me too bondi. Last year his progression was noticeable, but definitely gone backwards this year, and that was prior to the hand injury that was obviously a setback. I keep asking myself what's his weapon, his standout trait or ability? Best I've been able to come up with is his work in-tight and ability to find a teammate by hand in congestion, maybe I'm missing something, but that alone won't be enough. Not enough pace, not a particularly penetrating kick, not especially strong, not aggressive, not great overhead - just adequate, or worse, in so many areas. Perhaps he's just the stereotypical "good ordinary player"?

Got the ordinary part right

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm 
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Setterfield has a diabolical lack of intensity. Cannot reward that kind of play.

Play Honey who at least has speed and will have a decent crack.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:50 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Setterfield has a diabolical lack of intensity. Cannot reward that kind of play.

Play Honey who at least has speed and will have a decent crack.

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 Post subject: List Management 2021
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Setterfield has a diabolical lack of intensity. Cannot reward that kind of play.

Play Honey who at least has speed and will have a decent crack.


It got shown up massively today when the rest of the midfield were battling very hard (and have the past couple of weeks) then you get setters in just loping around.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Who would've thought throwing away all of our KPD depth in one offseason would come back to bite us?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:12 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Who would've thought throwing away all of our KPD depth in one offseason would come back to bite us?
Who?
When did it bite us?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:36 pm 
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I think not that he is a great player but given our injuries one of the worst for the Year was to McDonald could have played chb last night or alternatively chf as well
No worldbeater but versatile tall and played over 80 AFL games as a KPD
Looked useful forward in preseason matches too


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:44 pm 
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dane wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Who would've thought throwing away all of our KPD depth in one offseason would come back to bite us?
Who?
When did it bite us?

BSOS, Macreadie and Goddard, and not replacing them with McDonald until the eve of the season.

It bit us last night as there was no replacement for Jones, leaving Ratugolea, Rohan and Rhys @#$%&! Stanley free to saunter around our D50 against an undersized defence. Thank Christ Cameron didn't play.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:04 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Setterfield has a diabolical lack of intensity. Cannot reward that kind of play.

Play Honey who at least has speed and will have a decent crack.


It got shown up massively today when the rest of the midfield were battling very hard (and have the past couple of weeks) then you get setters in just loping around.



It will be a disgrace if Setterfield is selected next week, or in any of the remainder of games this year when we have kids trying their guts out to play or in need of a taste of AFL: Honey, Ramsay, Kemp and Carroll; some in the last games of the season.

Cottrell and Fisher are miles ahead of Setterfield and Fogarty.

Last night confirmed what I've suspected all year, Fogarty is a VFL player at best. Gotta do more than tackle and when he's only applied only 3 of those, he's not worth keeping. DUD. We need forwards who can get the ball, and kick goals.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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I'd like to swap Setterfield for Geelong's Constable. Tougher, stronger, Faster, Fiercer. Better.

I'd like to swap Fogarty, Williamson and OBrien for StKilda's Dunstan. Hey we can get him for nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:26 pm 
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We’ve got a dozen more games out of Fogarty than I thought we would. He was busted when he came to us, just about every muscle & joint in his legs had been worked over.

The right strength program should have him kicking longer & tackling stronger.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:33 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
dane wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Who would've thought throwing away all of our KPD depth in one offseason would come back to bite us?
Who?
When did it bite us?

BSOS, Macreadie and Goddard, and not replacing them with McDonald until the eve of the season.

It bit us last night as there was no replacement for Jones, leaving Ratugolea, Rohan and Rhys @#$%&! Stanley free to saunter around our D50 against an undersized defence. Thank Christ Cameron didn't play.

We should have re-drafted one of them in the mid-season draft. That we don't have a developing tall backman is a huge mistake. Jones is not going to last forever.

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 Post subject: List Management 2021
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bondiblue wrote:
I'd like to swap Setterfield for Geelong's Constable. Tougher, stronger, Faster, Fiercer. Better.

I'd like to swap Fogarty, Williamson and OBrien for StKilda's Dunstan. Hey we can get him for nothing.


I’d rather go the draft for four players.


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