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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:01 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:01 pm 
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Contrary to some who think the Draft is the be all to end all, I was thinking who we could have gone for instead of going to the Draft, to have a big bodied mid who can also go forward and help Cripps.

Cripps hit his straps in 2018, where he had more disposals than his MVP year in 2019.

Jake Stringer cost Dodoro picks 25 and 30.

Would've been great to have Jake Stringer instead of pick 10 OBrien.

List management. Pffft.

SOS didn't learn from the Dees. You can't skin the list to the bone, and expect the kids to flourish against seasoned bodies.

I totally understand and agree with SOS bringing in stronger bodies that didn't cost much. They didn't cost much for good reason. The idea was good but the execution arrogant and negligent.

SOS is gone, and now we have Austin. The same Austin who blinked and gave Pick 8 for Saad when he didn't have to. Would Dodoro have given pick 8? Exactly.

Amateur hour in a ruthless cut throat industry.

Jake Stringer is a pig of a human being and the absolute last person you would want at the club.

Also, if we didn’t have to trade pick 8 for Saad, how else were we going to get him?


That's old news

He went to Effedrugs with a 2nd round pick.

Carlton offered the 2nd round pick, knowing Saad and 3 others were out the door.

The negotiation delayed for a couple of weeks

Saad made it clear he would be going to Carlton and nowhere else.

Otherwise its PSD, but Effendrugs had the pick before Carlton.

Saad wanted out.

Why would Effendrugs take him in the PSD?

Austin blinked.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:08 pm 
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I’m pretty sure Austin was told to trade. I’ll leave it at that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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I’m pretty sure Austin was told to trade. I’ll leave it at that.



I've heard different.

The long game in the industry is Austin's calling. He didn't want to be seen as a difficult guy to deal with in the hope it comes back his way.

I understand that things got tight and precarious and wanted easy passage for Saad and pick 8 was always going to be that....the Druggies wanted first and 2nd rounders, then we stopped and there was an impasse for 10 days.

I like to believe he blinked, and it was his idea and whoever had to, went along with it. Amateurs.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I’m pretty sure Austin was told to trade. I’ll leave it at that.



I've heard different.

The long game in the industry is Austin's calling. He didn't want to be seen as a difficult guy to deal with in the hope it comes back his way.

I understand that things got tight and precarious and wanted easy passage for Saad and pick 8 was always going to be that....the Druggies wanted first and 2nd rounders, then we stopped and there was an impasse for 10 days.

I like to believe he blinked, and it was his idea and whoever had to, went along with it. Amateurs.


Yep.


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 Post subject: List Management 2021
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Is it bad that I looked at the ladder to see what pick we could have by the end of the last round? We could have pick 4.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I’m pretty sure Austin was told to trade. I’ll leave it at that.



I've heard different.

The long game in the industry is Austin's calling. He didn't want to be seen as a difficult guy to deal with in the hope it comes back his way.

I understand that things got tight and precarious and wanted easy passage for Saad and pick 8 was always going to be that....the Druggies wanted first and 2nd rounders, then we stopped and there was an impasse for 10 days.

I like to believe he blinked, and it was his idea and whoever had to, went along with it. Amateurs.

End of story.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1002705

The Carlton Football Club celebrates the contribution of true Blue Levi Casboult, who will depart IKON Park following the 2021 season after being informed that he would not be offered a new contract.

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 Post subject: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:07 am 
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Effes wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1002705

The Carlton Football Club celebrates the contribution of true Blue Levi Casboult, who will depart IKON Park following the 2021 season after being informed that he would not be offered a new contract.


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Predominantly serving as an impeding target in the Blues’ forward line
did you write this SB?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:19 am 
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Stating the obvious but we will need to find a ruck/forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:19 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1002705

The Carlton Football Club celebrates the contribution of true Blue Levi Casboult, who will depart IKON Park following the 2021 season after being informed that he would not be offered a new contract.


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Predominantly serving as an impeding target in the Blues’ forward line
did you write this SB?

Impeded H a bit

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:34 am 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I’m pretty sure Austin was told to trade. I’ll leave it at that.



I've heard different.

The long game in the industry is Austin's calling. He didn't want to be seen as a difficult guy to deal with in the hope it comes back his way.

I understand that things got tight and precarious and wanted easy passage for Saad and pick 8 was always going to be that....the Druggies wanted first and 2nd rounders, then we stopped and there was an impasse for 10 days.

I like to believe he blinked, and it was his idea and whoever had to, went along with it. Amateurs.

End of story.


Fair enough Cru...its all a bit like that...he said, I said, I heard, he heard...who really knows. I'm sick of it TBH.

i should have stated that I would like to believe what I was told: "he blinked". Not my opinion just what I was told.

What I do know is that I'm not impressed with SOS because I think other than his first year success with Pick 1Weitering, and McKay and Curnow, Cuningham and Silvagni, it all went to his head and gave away the farm and stripped the club bare, like Melbourne had done with no success, to the point the team wasn't competitive, and continues to suffer from that, and as for Austin, in his first year Saad's manager manager looked for a new home, and Saad wanted to go to Carlton, and Austin paid high gave pick 8. That wasn't too hard a deal to do with pick 8. Secured Williams as a FA, when there wasn't any other FA to target, which was great, but because of SOS' warchest, and his picks were Fogarty who is another Geelong fringe player and can't kick for goal, and the jury is still out with Durdin and Carrol. Waiting to see what magic he can bring...I know it takes time for late picks to develop.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Effes wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1002705

The Carlton Football Club celebrates the contribution of true Blue Levi Casboult, who will depart IKON Park following the 2021 season after being informed that he would not be offered a new contract.



I'm hoping Austin has someone in mind to replace the big fella. He better.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Stating the obvious but we will need to find a ruck/forward.



No harm in that.

+1

I want that made loud and clear to Austin.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/16/ ... r-greater/

I have always been a Weideman fan. He and Harry would be interesting with Charlie further up the ground.

Chol is an interesting one. Athletic but not sure about his footy smarts as I haven't seen him enough. 200cm with a leap makes him a chance as 2nd ruck option. Any thoughts on him.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Maybe Tommy is the man .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:00 pm 
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I choose not to be a member because deep down the board don’t give a @#$%&! about their members
The club is not transparent with its members
Unless the board [REDACTED] off or was booted off by another group which doesn’t look likely why should I be a member
The Carlton Footy Club has been part of my life as it has for all of us but I look at it differently now than 25 30 years ago
It’s been so badly run for so long that I won’t support the people on that board in any way shape or form
If you look at the out going President’s parting words in his report it’s full of outgoing lies and shit
Bondi Blue thought I was bad :wink:

As far as Cerra is concerned no
He is ok but Fremantle won’t trade him for one first round pick.
But he ain’t worth that anyway
Cerra is overrated by us. Once again the messiah approach
McGovern
Martin
Williams
Saad
Why does the club overrate him
In terms of stoppages he is ranked 6 th in his team
In contested possession he is ranked 6 th in his team
In terms of player ranking he is ranked 5 th for his team
In terms of tackles he isn’t in the top 100 in the league
He is 4 th in terms of possession in his team

He is clearly not a star
Brayshaw and Serong are better
He is a Kennedy standard mid
Once again this club and some posters are short sighted and look for the silver bullet

What amazes me is how the club and some supporters never @#$%&! look back and see how we have continually made the same mistakes
Now you want to give up a first round pick for a fifth string mid

Let me tell you guys again
This list isn’t good enough
Go to the draft get kids for 2 to 3 years
Look at Essendon* and Sydney in the last year or two
Get it right we will have really good team in a few years that will march to a top 4 position.
With Weitering McKay Cripps Walsh and a few others there we can be up there again
Give away picks and salary cap space for overrated players like we have stupidly done and you won’t go far
Proof this year more than any other

Don’t give up a first rounder for a guy who doesn’t play like a first rounder

And again
Clubs like us do not look closely enough at the WAFL SANFL
Jye Bolton would have walked into any AFL midfield
He is in his late 20s now probably missed his chance
Still dominating at Claremont mind you
Why? Clubs like us are simply dumb about this and focus on giving up quality picks for overrated players
when they can get decent ready made players with late and rookie picks


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:18 pm 
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keogh wrote:
And again
Clubs like us do not look closely enough at the WAFL SANFL
Jye Bolton would have walked into any AFL midfield
He is in his late 20s now probably missed his chance
Still dominating at Claremont mind you
Why? Clubs like us are simply dumb about this and focus on giving up quality picks for overrated players
when they can get decent ready made players with late and rookie picks


Do you understand why we would be sceptical about him?
It's just not us that feels he isn't AFL material. It's the other 17 clubs and their collective hundreds of recruiters, scouts, talent identifiers.
People who work full time in the caper and then we have you bagging us for not picking him up. Do you understand that criticism doesn't carry a lot of weight when the rest of the football world disagrees?
So I see it as just another opportunity for you to slag the club.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:53 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
And again
Clubs like us do not look closely enough at the WAFL SANFL
Jye Bolton would have walked into any AFL midfield
He is in his late 20s now probably missed his chance
Still dominating at Claremont mind you
Why? Clubs like us are simply dumb about this and focus on giving up quality picks for overrated players
when they can get decent ready made players with late and rookie picks


Do you understand why we would be sceptical about him?
It's just not us that feels he isn't AFL material. It's the other 17 clubs and their collective hundreds of recruiters, scouts, talent identifiers.
People who work full time in the caper and then we have you bagging us for not picking him up. Do you understand that criticism doesn't carry a lot of weight when the rest of the football world disagrees?
So I see it as just another opportunity for you to slag the club.


Yep and our recruiting over the last decade has been stellar
Maybe all 18 clubs got it wrong
Should of been drafted 4 or 5 years ago
Bit late now
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Do you think Cerra is worth a first rounder
Obviously I don’t think so


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