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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:13 pm 
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If you believe reports in the paper we have a very tight salary cap.
HUN mentions the contract sizes of several players and says we may struggle to fit Walsh in for the contract he deserves.
I hope this is not true as we had so much space only a couple of years ago.


Terrifying thought hey Kezz...............struggling to pay Walsh ?



Have a look at the numbers he's spruiked in his rubbisg article in the trash paper.

He doesn't say Carlton HAVE a problem.

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The other issue for Carlton over the next two seasons is an extremely tight salary cap that is going to have to find room for emerging superstar’s Sam Walsh new deal as he comes out of contract at the end of 2022.


Issue?
Extremely tight salary cap?
Find room?....well he hasn't said we haven't got room. He's playing on emotions of the reader. An overreaction by the reader, and his comment becomes fact. Rubbish.

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Patrick Cripps, Adam Saad, Zac Williams, Harry McKay, Mitch McGovern and Jack Martin are all in the $750,000 and over bracket which could see someone like Jack Silvagni offered far less than his 2021 form deserves.


He has no idea what the front ended payments are.
He doesn't know Cripps salary.
Jack's 2 year deal will be made public. No issues there.

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It might even mean Walsh is paid under market value.


He didn't state that Walsh will reject an offer, and did state Walsh will be paid.

Cripps' contract aside because its brand new, lets put that aside.
Martin reported $700K per season. $1M front loaded.
Saad reported Essendon** matched the $650K Carlton offered. ie not overpaid
Williams reported to be $50K more than the final offer from GWS which was $700K ie not overpaid.

We had room to get another trade done last year but couldn't get contracted players over the line, hence the balance of the 105% front loaded Williams, or whoever.
The club has stated we have room for another 2 stars end of this year. There must be plenty of room for Walsh and cripps and Cripps stated he took unders to allow us to target more stars as we build a Premiership team.

I'm not worried one bit, because of the source of this article. After all its Jon Anderson and The Herald Sun. How can anyone trust either? Naive would.

They don't let the truth get in the way of a good story that sells papers. Money is their purpose in life, not reporting the truth.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:25 pm 
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if we give sps and our first rnd for cerra ,i see this another weak move by our recruitment dept,anyone can do this.Reckon keep our first pick and target lipinski or another potiential mid who cant get get game.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:45 pm 
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I think one can wipe their arse several times with that newspaper.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:44 pm 
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if we give sps and our first rnd for cerra ,i see this another weak move by our recruitment dept,anyone can do this.Reckon keep our first pick and target lipinski or another potiential mid who cant get get game.



If we have the slightest chance of getting this bird (Cerra) in the hand for pick 7 or 8 but need SPS to help them get over the line, I'd take it.

Bird in the hand.

SPS is not what we need the way he's playing. Got gifted games. WE don't know if he will improve or not. We know what Cerra can do. Class and does the hard stuff. A good combination.

SPS got dropped, then came in due to injury, then dropped the week after. He's surplus imo.

There's good reason why SPS hasn't been offered a contract.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:48 pm 
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Another way of looking at it.

Who would Freo rather have out of SPS and Cerra? Answer is Cerra.

WE might have pick 6 or 7. Who would we get with that pick? Not who you'd want, but who will Carlton pick. Name anyone after the top 3 or 4 players in the draft, and tell me, if they will make it. Its another kid. A speculative choice...like LOB and SPS were.

SPS was pick 5 or 6.

SPS is the sweetener, and I'm sure a 3rd rounder would come back our way with Cerra, and if it didn't, who cares when we have Cerra.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:22 pm 
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Liddle said the club still has the salary cap room to be big players in 2021’s lucrative free agency pool if they chose to be.

“After going to the draft for those few years we’ve taken a more balanced approach and that balanced approach suggests if you can trade away picks for players who we think are going to add to our list and improve our on-field, then we’ve been more than prepared to do that,” he said.

Given the fact that we underspent for an extended period and were only spending 95 per cent of the salary cap, we actually have some underspend we’re able to take advantage of both last year and this year, which puts us in a really strong position.

“It enables you to manoeuvre contracts in a way because you’ve got that extra five per cent and in some instances you can front-end some of those contracts.

“There’s absolutely no doubt that we will continue to be a strong player in free agency and we’ve got (Head of List Management) Nick Austin and (National Recruiting Manager) Mick Agresta overseen by (Head of Football) Brad Lloyd who are as focused on free agency and bringing in players from other clubs as they are the draft.

“If we have a draft pick and we’re confident we can bring a kid in who is going to develop into a good player, we won’t hesitate to go to the draft as well.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/02/blues-ceo-provides-update-on-cripps-contract-free-agency-aspirations-and/

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:39 pm 
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Liddle said the club still has the salary cap room to be big players in 2021’s lucrative free agency pool if they chose to be.

“After going to the draft for those few years we’ve taken a more balanced approach and that balanced approach suggests if you can trade away picks for players who we think are going to add to our list and improve our on-field, then we’ve been more than prepared to do that,” he said.

Given the fact that we underspent for an extended period and were only spending 95 per cent of the salary cap, we actually have some underspend we’re able to take advantage of both last year and this year, which puts us in a really strong position.

“It enables you to manoeuvre contracts in a way because you’ve got that extra five per cent and in some instances you can front-end some of those contracts.

“There’s absolutely no doubt that we will continue to be a strong player in free agency and we’ve got (Head of List Management) Nick Austin and (National Recruiting Manager) Mick Agresta overseen by (Head of Football) Brad Lloyd who are as focused on free agency and bringing in players from other clubs as they are the draft.

“If we have a draft pick and we’re confident we can bring a kid in who is going to develop into a good player, we won’t hesitate to go to the draft as well.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/02/blues-ceo-provides-update-on-cripps-contract-free-agency-aspirations-and/


But Tom Browne says we are having salary cap issues?!!?!?!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Liddle said the club still has the salary cap room to be big players in 2021’s lucrative free agency pool if they chose to be.

“After going to the draft for those few years we’ve taken a more balanced approach and that balanced approach suggests if you can trade away picks for players who we think are going to add to our list and improve our on-field, then we’ve been more than prepared to do that,” he said.

Given the fact that we underspent for an extended period and were only spending 95 per cent of the salary cap, we actually have some underspend we’re able to take advantage of both last year and this year, which puts us in a really strong position.

“It enables you to manoeuvre contracts in a way because you’ve got that extra five per cent and in some instances you can front-end some of those contracts.

“There’s absolutely no doubt that we will continue to be a strong player in free agency and we’ve got (Head of List Management) Nick Austin and (National Recruiting Manager) Mick Agresta overseen by (Head of Football) Brad Lloyd who are as focused on free agency and bringing in players from other clubs as they are the draft.

“If we have a draft pick and we’re confident we can bring a kid in who is going to develop into a good player, we won’t hesitate to go to the draft as well.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/02/blues-ceo-provides-update-on-cripps-contract-free-agency-aspirations-and/


But Tom Browne says we are having salary cap issues?!!?!?!!


Tom Browne tries to present his lies as fact.

Problem for him is everyone can see that, and he's still employed. What does that say about his employees?
I can't believe he's become a staple on OTC. IMO Browne devalues the show.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
dane wrote:
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Liddle said the club still has the salary cap room to be big players in 2021’s lucrative free agency pool if they chose to be.

“After going to the draft for those few years we’ve taken a more balanced approach and that balanced approach suggests if you can trade away picks for players who we think are going to add to our list and improve our on-field, then we’ve been more than prepared to do that,” he said.

Given the fact that we underspent for an extended period and were only spending 95 per cent of the salary cap, we actually have some underspend we’re able to take advantage of both last year and this year, which puts us in a really strong position.

“It enables you to manoeuvre contracts in a way because you’ve got that extra five per cent and in some instances you can front-end some of those contracts.

“There’s absolutely no doubt that we will continue to be a strong player in free agency and we’ve got (Head of List Management) Nick Austin and (National Recruiting Manager) Mick Agresta overseen by (Head of Football) Brad Lloyd who are as focused on free agency and bringing in players from other clubs as they are the draft.

“If we have a draft pick and we’re confident we can bring a kid in who is going to develop into a good player, we won’t hesitate to go to the draft as well.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/02/blues-ceo-provides-update-on-cripps-contract-free-agency-aspirations-and/


But Tom Browne says we are having salary cap issues?!!?!?!!


Tom Browne tries to present his lies as fact.

Problem for him is everyone can see that, and he's still employed. What does that say about his employees?
I can't believe he's become a staple on OTC. IMO Browne devalues the show.

Tom is a bell end, but who’s to say the CEO isn’t the one telling pork pies?

This is the same bloke that was adamant SOS was going to torpedo the books.

Big deals done for Saad, Williams, Cripps & McKay since then, but we’re flushed with loot?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:02 pm 
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Our midfield lacks top end quality. The club must be thinking long and hard how to address this issue. The Williams experiment was a massive fail. He's not even fit enough to see out the year at half back let alone handle the rigours of midfield duty. And we used our first pick on a midget who can't even find the ball. They'll be trying to sell our first pick for a quality midfielder. I also think they might make a play for Mitchell so long as we don't have to sell the shop. He might not have elite disposal but he is a master at finding it and in 2022 we need to get possession of the ball first and foremost.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:05 pm 
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How the hell would TB know how much we are spending? Did he break into the club late one night and download our player payment spreadsheet? BROWNgate.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:57 pm 
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Have to believe 2022 will be a complete turnaround with a new coach and a few 'new' and 'refined' players.

I believe that Williams will do whatever he has to do to be back in 2022, after a huge body of work under his belt in the preseason, under the directive of Russell, to prove he was worth the bucks to play midfield. This year has been an embarrassment for him and his family and I'm sure the fire in his belly will drive him.

I think Doc will too. He wasn't as bad as some make out, including me, but those fumbles and dropped marks really put a blemish on his reputation and I'm sure he will get back on the horse and let his actions prove to us he's back. Whether he plays back with Saad or on a defensive wing, or finally come back to the midfield where he started his AFL journey are all options.

I've had a think, following Diesel's remarks re Battle of Britain and Clarkson under ruthless coach Kennedy. If Clarkson wants to prove a point with a fresh list, and caste his eyes over our list and get rid of those he thinks are not up to his standards before the Trade period, and bring Tom Mitchell with him, then I'm all for it.

Don't know what impact it will have on the soft cap and his relationship with Russell (not that I know there was any problem between the two but heard rumours there was).

That's 2 mids to help out Walsh and Cripps next year. Cripps has to get his body right for a massive effort in 2022.

Sure we need a back up KPD for Jones, and somehow I don't think McDonald will be the one unless we don't find one, and we need a serious quality aggressive ruckman to feed the midfield. If not, we are stuck with Pitto and DeKoning IF he can get strong enough and learn the ruck craft over summer. Otherwise Tom is 2 years away from making a fist of the ruck and its Pitto with cameos from the inexperienced DeKoning.

Backline and Forwardline is right.

I've got my fingers crossed, Kemp can take Plowman's spot as the 3rd tall and intercept mark, unless his preseason form demands midfield, Stocker to take the next step up as a midfielder or continue as backman. Philp should be back to take a wing, and who knows what another preseason can do for Ramsay and Carrol.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:48 pm 
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look at swans,tigers,footscray,melb surely there is quality in reserves that are good enough but cant get a senior gig, smart recruiting to identify a player and bring him across,instead of just chasing the big name AGAIN


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Cerra on the way with pick 6 gone.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:47 pm 
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great ,i could do that trade p6 for cerra actually my mom can do it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:40 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Cerra on the way with pick 6 gone.



Fingers crossed

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Walsh wrote:
Cerra on the way with pick 6 gone.

What if we end up with pick 3 4 or 5?

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jezzarules wrote:
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Cerra on the way with pick 6 gone.

What if we end up with pick 3 4 or 5?


Still need Cerra over 17 year old.

Cerra is a known quantity - controls the football well and what we need.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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We keep giving away high draft picks and millions of dollars for supposedly star players that are/were going to turn our club around. Still waiting for results, and here we go again.


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cortez wrote:
We keep giving away high draft picks and millions of dollars for supposedly star players that are/were going to turn our club around. Still waiting for results, and here we go again.


Probably wouldn't have to if SOS didn't totally stuff up the draft for two years 2016 + 2017 in our three year 66 game period.

Luckily 2015 was a home run and 2018 was next to excellent that made up some lost ground. But yeah 2016 + 2017 write offs.


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