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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:04 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Agree BV Freo were impressive yesterday and Longmuir was Collingwood defensive coach for a long while and they were disappointed when he left
We can only imagine if we actually had a coach or coaching group that could instil such a structure/plan into our team -soul destroying to see where we are at and how we keep drifting without the right people and methodologies in place


Longmuir was also nailed on to come to us as Teague's right hand man when he got the job until he got offered the senior gig at Freo.

Sliding doors moment.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:01 pm 
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Pressure just went up. Get smacked and he could drop as
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:03 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Agree BV Freo were impressive yesterday and Longmuir was Collingwood defensive coach for a long while and they were disappointed when he left
We can only imagine if we actually had a coach or coaching group that could instil such a structure/plan into our team -soul destroying to see where we are at and how we keep drifting without the right people and methodologies in place


Longmuir was also nailed on to come to us as Teague's right hand man when he got the job until he got offered the senior gig at Freo.

Sliding doors moment.


Yep. Think about that all the time... even when I jumped on the Teague Train with Crippa spruikin'

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:49 pm 
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I watched a bit of the Collingwood/Freo game this morning. Watch that game and then put it on half speed. Half speed will give you indication of how we defend compared to Freo. They have system, tactics and buy in that we as supporters can only dream of. If we don't get our act together ASAP, they'll take us apart next week.

They also have contemporary strategies that we lack which reflects badly on our coaching group. They're organised around the stoppages, their players aren't all drawn into contests consistently like ours are and they don't allow the opposition basic liberties that we do but 17 other teams deny as a standard measure. Things like allowing Lachie Whitfield to sit off the back of stoppages and have a field day getting the ball fed out the back to him. They're basics that aren't afforded players in suburban footy let alone elite levels.

We have a lot of work to do in a short time.


Didn’t we flog them earlier this year?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:53 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I watched a bit of the Collingwood/Freo game this morning. Watch that game and then put it on half speed. Half speed will give you indication of how we defend compared to Freo. They have system, tactics and buy in that we as supporters can only dream of. If we don't get our act together ASAP, they'll take us apart next week.

They also have contemporary strategies that we lack which reflects badly on our coaching group. They're organised around the stoppages, their players aren't all drawn into contests consistently like ours are and they don't allow the opposition basic liberties that we do but 17 other teams deny as a standard measure. Things like allowing Lachie Whitfield to sit off the back of stoppages and have a field day getting the ball fed out the back to him. They're basics that aren't afforded players in suburban footy let alone elite levels.

We have a lot of work to do in a short time.




Can’t get Ross Lyon in quick enough. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:56 am 
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Will finish between 12-6 as expected.

Will have avoided bottom four two years in a row for the first time since 2013.

Lots of positive signs to really push on.

Need to clean up clearances and stoppages - dont have enough contributing in this area.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:13 am 
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The Normal One wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I watched a bit of the Collingwood/Freo game this morning. Watch that game and then put it on half speed. Half speed will give you indication of how we defend compared to Freo. They have system, tactics and buy in that we as supporters can only dream of. If we don't get our act together ASAP, they'll take us apart next week.

They also have contemporary strategies that we lack which reflects badly on our coaching group. They're organised around the stoppages, their players aren't all drawn into contests consistently like ours are and they don't allow the opposition basic liberties that we do but 17 other teams deny as a standard measure. Things like allowing Lachie Whitfield to sit off the back of stoppages and have a field day getting the ball fed out the back to him. They're basics that aren't afforded players in suburban footy let alone elite levels.

We have a lot of work to do in a short time.


Didn’t we flog them earlier this year?


Yep.
Since then we've won 4 games. They've won 6 including beating a top 8 side (Sydney)
They're on equal points with Richmond (8th) and we're 13th. Their young mids are playing disciplined, hard running football. Our midfield has been very poor. Both performance of personnel and coaching.
So yes, I think we have a lot of work to do in a very short time.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:32 pm 
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Talking to Aaron Hamill about assistant coach for next year.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:07 pm 
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Interesting stat on SEN today.

Alistair Clarkson first 42 games as coach. Won 12 - lost 30 winning % 28.57

Daniel Hardwick - 42 - won 13 - 1 draw - lost 28 winning % 30.95

David Teague - 42 - won 18 - lost 24 winning % 42.86

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Yeah But...............................

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:55 pm 
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Not to be rude but...

1. Can you give us those stats for Scott Watters and Brenton Sanderson as well?

2. How many first round picks and big name agents did both those clubs have in the 4 preceding years ?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:56 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Interesting stat on SEN today.

Alistair Clarkson first 42 games as coach. Won 12 - lost 30 winning % 28.57

Daniel Hardwick - 42 - won 13 - 1 draw - lost 28 winning % 30.95

David Teague - 42 - won 18 - lost 24 winning % 42.86

Regards Cazzesman

Yeah But...............................


Is Daniel Hardwick Damien’s evil twin brother?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:59 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Interesting stat on SEN today.

Alistair Clarkson first 42 games as coach. Won 12 - lost 30 winning % 28.57

Daniel Hardwick - 42 - won 13 - 1 draw - lost 28 winning % 30.95

David Teague - 42 - won 18 - lost 24 winning % 42.86

Regards Cazzesman

Yeah But...............................


Heard that stat. My query on that is that Clarkson definitely and Hardwick (pretty similar???) both began their coaching careers at the same time as their club's rebuild

Teague picked up a team at least 3 years into that rebuild...and I understand that our rebuild stripped us bare so that would be another confounding variable

Would like to see that stat with median games played (the average games could skew the data a bit) over the first 42 games of their coaching career. If someone was crazy enough to look at games lost through injury, it may provide Teague with a little 'win'

I'm happy to put it on record that I don't believe Teague is the right person to take us fwd from 2022 and beyond.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:04 pm 
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Nick wrote:
Not to be rude but...

1. Can you give us those stats for Scott Watters and Brenton Sanderson as well?


Scott Watters first 42 games won 15 lost 27 winning 35.71%.

Brenton Sanderson first 42 games won 25 lost 17 winning 59.52%.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:31 pm 
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Thanks, so both also had better records than Clarkson and Hardwick then.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:05 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Interesting stat on SEN today.

Alistair Clarkson first 42 games as coach. Won 12 - lost 30 winning % 28.57

Daniel Hardwick - 42 - won 13 - 1 draw - lost 28 winning % 30.95

David Teague - 42 - won 18 - lost 24 winning % 42.86

Regards Cazzesman

Yeah But...............................


Teague received a list that is ready, off memory others didn’t, especially Clarkson.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:04 am 
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Nick wrote:
Thanks, so both also had better records than Clarkson and Hardwick then.


Immaterial

Watters wanted to nuke the club due to perceived poor culture after Lyon left the club - it had nothing to do with on field performances
Sanderson was promising flags and then lost the players.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:03 am 
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Just saw that, I don't mind that at all. Genuine hard man as a player. Might help to put a bit of ''steel'' into the team.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Interesting stat on SEN today.

Alistair Clarkson first 42 games as coach. Won 12 - lost 30 winning % 28.57

Daniel Hardwick - 42 - won 13 - 1 draw - lost 28 winning % 30.95

David Teague - 42 - won 18 - lost 24 winning % 42.86

Regards Cazzesman

Yeah But...............................


Teague received a list that is ready, off memory others didn’t, especially Clarkson.


THIS!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:18 am 
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Brendan Bolton's first 2 seasons with us had a similar record and similar young undeveloped list as Hardwick and Clarkson

13 wins 31 losses


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:52 am 
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rhino27 wrote:
Brendan Bolton's first 2 seasons with us had a similar record and similar young undeveloped list as Hardwick and Clarkson

13 wins 31 losses


His first two seasons were really good - but then fell off the cliff and lost the players.


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