So they would discuss and come to a consensus that it’s a good idea to pay Adam Saad and Zac Williams
8.3 million over 5 and six years with possible contributions from consultants
Judd being on the board as Director of Football would have agreed to it

As my opinion on Judd to me he ignores dealing with issues that were in his job as captain
Half the Eagles team were off their drugged heads yet he chose to ignore it
as captain
He ignored Casboult been chained to the boat on the infamous booze cruise
That’s great leadership when you arrive at the club. Casboult was a first year player. Pathetic
His name crops up with the wrong people to often for my liking
The betting syndicate slime bag over in Perth just recently
Juddy acts like a clean skin but isn’t
Judd is a yes man
Shouldn’t have been on the board

Still plucking figures out of your arse Keogh?

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Surely if you have access to the clubs payroll then you also have access to the agenda and minutes of the board meetings and can pass on what the hell is going on in there!

Legit thinking about home schooling. I couldn't do worse.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

You are one of those supporters who don’t want to admit the club has stuffed up
That’s what their own give or take a few thousand here or there
Add Martin on over one million last year front loaded a 5 year deal to fit Williams Saad into the cap
Mc Govern there’s another $700000 for 5 years
Has done @#$%&! all
Your in denial mate
And where is Judd or the boards role
You see mate as I said
In the last 198 rounds of footy at the end of each round we have been in the eight
Eight times
I repeat eight times
Around 4%
The next worst
Gold Coast 28 times
In a period of
Hard Cap
Soft Cap
Coaching certificates
Great facilities at all clubs
All clubs with dietitians psychologists welfare officers fitness gurus
It’s a level playing field
Why have we been shit for so long
Incompetence
That’s what these guys are on and their producing crap footy
Fact

What does the board do?

Not necessarily.

Consensus implies majority.
Judd can vote no and 5 others yes.

They base their decisions on the best information they receive from management (and, or contacts).

The Football Director will collate the information gathered by List Manager, Recruitment staff, Fitnes Tests, Doctors, Previous coaches, Parents....and bring all recommendations and also his recommendation and reasons to the Board to digest.

One Director does not weild the Power, nor does one President. Its a collective. Doesn't mean Judd agreed or didn't.

Like us here at TC, you have strong opinions opposite to others with regards to chasing the likes of Martin and Williams without all the information the Board was privy to, and we wouldn't know for sure whose righ or wrong. There's a risk assessment and grading. The strength of the decision will be made at the end of the contract.

For example, we all agree Williams fitness base at the start of this year didn't warrant $700K, or $800 or whatever, but he may do what is needed under the guidance of Russell to become the fit midfielder next year, week in week out, and eventually be a Premiership player within the following 5 years. Its too early to make clear cut decisions.

The decision I find distressing was Nick Austin's handing over pick 8 when saad made it clear he would walk if an agreement wasn't reached. The Board had to be across that decision. If Austin didn't want to have a Dodoro like reputation from avoiding a fair exchange (Saad is worth pick , then the Board should have stamped his papers. This will be highlighted in the Review. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that one.

All the other stuff is decisions with best intentions and based on the information at hand. I don't think the Board is incompetent. There's some very experienced, smart and connected people on the Board. Sayers is top of the tree in management.

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@#$%&! me keogh - Google has been around for 15 odd years. Board sets direction. Employees run the operation based on that direction.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

I don't know if what you say is true or not, neither do you.

I know Judd was a reluctant captain.

He was a reluctant captain at Carlton too.

Now you're suggesting he's a yes man when he may have said No, but you are drawing the dotted line which creates inuendo. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are making up stories based on what you think

I too have partied and done business with people with colourful backgrounds but I didnt know that at the time. It happens.

Geez, I was questioned by police in the offices of a Company I worked in because I employed a bouncer at a nightclub who killed someone. FMD. I'm glad you weren't a Director or my boss at the time. You must have heard the saying "guilty by association"...which is guilty of nothing. That's what you are doing. You have to understand that is slander not intelligent conversation. Work it out.

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Its that simple.

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Really?

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Nah, I'm not in denial. I just allocate my energy to what is real.
75% of that post is guesswork.

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Yep
The figures have been reported in the media for a while
Now I know straight away many Carlton supporters like you and Blue Vain would question the figures given the shit footy they have conjured up
Saad doesn’t get a pass
Yes we all hate Kane “ The cringe” Cornes
But he is dead right
This guy skirts wide to improve his stats sheet whilst leaving his man
His tackling efforts last week were pathetic
And we have got him for 5 years on roughly that figure
And Saad is the best of them
Why didn’t Saad or Williams go to Liam Ryan or Toby Greene at any stage in those losses
Because they can’t or don’t want to play that role
I admit Teague hasn’t done enough . He didn’t give them that responsibility which was a stuff up.
Give to one of them . The guys on the big coin. Being around for 8 years.
Nah gives it to a youngster whose barely played 10 games.
So Teague is part of the overall problem that clearly exits within the bowels of Princes Park
But seriously other clubs wouldn’t touch Saad with a ten foot pole because they know he is selfish and know what there going to get
Leg speed a cannon left foot
Nothing else
Notice Polec was the sub last week.
Same type of player
Flashy cannon left foot. On about the same amount of coin.It was his 4 th game for the year because the club won’t accept his lack of defensive effort
That’s how you @#$%&! do it
Why doesn’t it happen at Carlton?
And to top it off we give up pick 8( turned out to be 10) for Adam
What do you think about Juddy’s thoughts on his trade bonanza
So is Williams . He is a selfish flashy footballer who when asked to work harder in the midfield can’t do it is clearly not fit enough and his body seems to be made out of the same cardboard Martin and McGoverns are made out of
It’s ironic that Jeannie’s late husband started a recycled paper business
It’s seeped into our recruiting

Sometimes more often than most supporters don’t want to hear the truth

You can't handle the truth!

Keogh some things make sense, alot oF sense.
In this post and the last couple, you are venting.

Do you want me to believe your figures?
I can't believe you know more than those who tell me the facts.
You make up figures. Media exaggerate figures for headlines and hits.
Do you really believe the media when they say Martin on a Million a year over 5 years?
No you don't. Front loaded because we had to spend the money as our cap was at 105% 2 years in a row.

Attacking Saad is ... blatantly wrong.
You say media and Cornes are right...they don't say bad things about Saad.
You do.

You lie and lie and lie.
Effedrug* wanted to keep Saad.
saad is a weapon. Have to use him properly.

Polec is nothing like Saad...just because he has a left foot....
mate...Saads got 2 eyes and a nose. So has Janis joplin.
She's dead man, and nothing like saad. I know they both have 2 eyes and a nose.

You are wrong and out of order.

Lets get back to looking at the future realistically. I liked the names you put up to target in the WAFL and SAFL, except for McADAM.

You have to be tripping to believe Saad is the coach making the moves.
There's good reason to give Saad freedom, but if we are under attack play him on a defensive wing.

Its Teagues @#$%&! call.
Its Teagues team.
Teague calls the shots.
What makes you think Saad calls the shots?

You have no idea what happened between Polec and his coach. None
So deal with your strengths, the facts.

Give me some facts...not tripping out on a tangent.
I need something intelligent too...not the same vitriol.


Previously you said Williams is a good footballer, just paid too much.
Then you said he didnt train hard and came back into preseason in bad condition.
Now he's selfich.....bla bla...whatever suits your agenda.

Stop venting. Take a breath, a deep one, and watch what happens.

Lets get back to footy. I don't want to block you out, but you have to stop the exaggeration and misinformation.
There's polenty of good stuff you post, but when carlton lose, you dictate the conversation with I told you so.

Injuries have killed us as they did for ratten and Brittain.
Some players playing underdone and some unfit for purpose.
They are worth noting and ridiculing.

Some getting the big bucks because they are GOOD players just not earning that sort of coin...I get that. Its true. I agree.

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Williams 4.8 million over 6 years give or take a few grand here or there
Martin 5 year deal. His first year he was going to get over 1 million. There was COVID which reduced his salary . He is on around $600000 a season now for the next 4 give or take a few grand. His contract was front ended to fit the guys into cap they were going to include .
Fogarty is the other one. We gave up basically a pick 30 to get him and acquired Carroll with the pick we got from Geelong.
The club also new that Cripps would come out of contract and they would have to pay him a substantial salary. Six years by the way is ridiculous for anyone.
The one they didn’t take into account is McKay.
Walsh is next but their can’t be much riggle room left
You and BV are the ones talking out of your bums not me.
Jack Martin was the fifth highest paid player in the league last year.
Cameron was the highest paid player. Dusty was there too.

Saad is overrated. Another sucker player. The bullet pass to Kennedy was great. The missed tackles chasing cheap and easy possessions wasn’t
I have noticed with Williams that he isn’t too great putting his head over the ball at times
Both he and Martin are not fit enough
Why do have to be when youron that amount of money.
Unfortunately free agency sounds great but you have to pay overs to get players

All these blokes mentioned are not delivering

The assumption from the List Management team in 2020 was we needed leg speed around the ground
Tell me where Martin Williams and Saad play. Not in the middle. Williams and Martin they have tried but there not up to it. They are in their @#$%&! prime.
Overall Williams and Martin particularly Martin have been disappointing.
Saad defensively is not great. That’s why he doesn’t play on Greene or Ryan

And the board oversees it all
So what path does the club take at trade and draft time in 2021
Is the list good enough and we just have a shit coach and a shit fitness guru

I’ll say it again
We don’t have the cattle due to poor list management overseen by the board.
Yet again

We are 13 th 6 years into a rebuild.
I’ll say it again we have been in the eight 8 of the last 198 rounds since Ratten got the arse.
The worst team of the last decade
No question
Incompetence at all levels

Only that we had an age gap on the list between 23-27 year olds that needed to be filled and bringing in free agents to make up salary cap requirement was the only answer without giving up too much currency. I have no problem with the way it was done as it had to be done.

That's right. Something had to be done with the money.

Attracting players was a tough gig only 2 years ago. Had to pay someone, and whilst we couldn't we were front loading existing players ... Crippa amain beneficiary because there weren't any other mega stars, so they gave Charlie some front up/ top up combo. Charlie is not costing what some think, and I hope he doesnt get greedy in his next contract.

We are where we are.

Mistakes were made in recruitment, big time pre SOS, some during SOS' time.

So what. Nothing to do with Jeannie and Mathison.
It is what it is.

We have a core group moving forward.
A new Coach and coaching group. Proper process in the quest.

The list, fully fit has a formidable Best 22. That's it.
Injuries will happen, we have to bat deeper.

Look forward.

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Perfectly summed up and finally someone talking openly

Judd great player ,,, that’s it !!

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