i agree with this 100%

i still have my reservations about the board due to us not making finals and i think back office is largely why that is the case ... however the boards performance when it comes to off-field have been outstanding and sees the club in the best position it has been for along time.

now, for that to translate to on-field success ...

Vince might take first steps but there is no way known he will 'lead' the charge....I don't know but I am guessing alot of us are sick of the board.. make a little noise and see what pops up I guess. Maybe a younger Elliot and Brown and the like...

Just a board burp , it’s normal and allows for opposing views, quite normal nothing to see folks.
Sayers will rule the roost and plans for change will go ahead.

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Players are making a mockery of the club psychologists.

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SOS treated poorly? You're the one telling us he failed in building a midfield.

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Doesn't mean you can treat people like garbage.

Garbage? His contract expired and it wasn't renewed.
He ended more than his share of careers and whinged when he couldn't control his own exit. No sympathy whatsoever.

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Not sure why people love taking pot shots at sos !! When he walked into the club as the list boss he inherited a mess and not something he could fix overnight !!

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

He felt he was mistreated and that's just bloody unacceptable in a professional environment.

Could have offered him another role at the club not use his kids in the media as an excuse for the shambolic and shameful way he was dismissed.

This board is a circus.

His task was monumental for sure - he did well other than liking skinny flashy kids too much.

Maybe, but his performance on SEN radio on his way out was a circus too though. Hard to deny that. Both Gary & Tim were loving it as he just gave them more & more & more.

He lost control of his emotions. We've all done that so we can't be too judgey. But when you're a high profile person at a high profile club, live to air...not cool.

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Another role?
SOS was very well remunerated for his contribution to Carlton. Both on and off the field.
But it's an elite environment. As I said, he ended the careers of plenty of Carlton people with his ruthlessness and should expect no less when it was his time to move on. We can't be offering jobs to ex-players for the sake of it, FFS.Otherwise we'd have hundreds of blokes sitting around on the payroll.
His contract expired and it wasn't renewed. And based on your previous comments, he failed in his role so it's a bit rich now using him as an excuse to prop up your anti board agenda.

As CK posted, his performance on the way out was a circus. That validated the decision IMHO. It just proved to me that it was all about SOS which I suspected.

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I don't know the facts.
But SOS seemed like he thrived on power. Perception I admit.
His list was his making. You has stated he failed with the 15 mids he drafted, other than Walsh...no brainer.
His contract expired.

There was no need to air whatever he said. Ditto Liddle.
Nothing to do with the Board. Neither Liddle or SOS were on the Board.
They both did it their way, and SOS was UGLY on SEN. UGLY and bitter. Uncool.
SOS lost his cool.

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Careful what you talk about Mr Walsh or one day I might talk about the Professionalism (or not) of how/why I and many others finished up at CFC, after working under SOS for 1 year.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Immaterial - he was a key employee bought to the club. he is passionate and pig headed but years of experience went down the drain due to misunderstandings between what was sabotage or not.

How stupid of the board getting a passionate man broiled up and questioning his integrity. Circus and Clowns.

Is that right. As any good Barrister would suggest................."Goes to certain Character Traits of the Man, Your Honor".

SOS is a strange Cat. I know people who swear by him in certain circumstances and others that wouldn't P155 on him if he was on fire.
Interesting that I hear that he and his long, long term bestie and #1 ally are now not on speaking terms.

The AFL is littered with a 100 of those character types. SOS's passion and pig-headedness just makes him one of the 100's and nothing special. The AFL is 99% Ego driven and very few are ever wrong. Many drop their bottom lip and take their bat and ball home when they don't get their own way.

Whats the old saying .......'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely'. Never gonna die wondering about that in the AFL as they all want that power.

We are right back to the 'One Agenda' I mentioned. SOS and those he butted heads with weren't smart enough to find common ground for the betterment of the Club. Football Club bosses do dumb things all the time in the name of what they perceive to be.....'I know what's best', then won't give an inch when called on it. Humility is sadly lacking in the AFL.

The smartest bloke I ever met and heard talk in the AFL was Neil Balme. His BS detector was off the chart. I have no doubt that's why Geelong and the Tigers have been so, so successful with him in the background to crush the ego driven factions.

Carlton needs a Neil Balme type in the background to play Sweden, cut all the crap that gets raised and get on with winning.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Agree - we need an experienced AFL person in the football department like Neil Balme. No doubt about it!!!!!

There should be a director with football department experience and someone at the club with coaching experience.

At this moment Teague is the most experienced football operator at the club at the age of 40!!. We have no one at the club at this moment with proper AFL football operation experience its just Teague - that's it.... and there are vultures everywhere.

Great post Cazz

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

So why was SOS appointed
We know why. He was a legend and a mate of the President. It wouldn’t be his record at GWS as a List Manager.
The point of appointing a Neil Balme type is a good one but this whole board has to go.

I appreciate the fact that Cazzeman has a greater inside knowledge on all this.

I remember watching the Stocker trade which is still on YouTube and was mortified by what I saw
Not the actual trade but the people in the room
The most interesting person there was Judd.
He was simply one of the boys.
This guy is and was at the time on the board yet you wouldn’t know it watching the video.

That’s bullshit detection right there.
It didn’t seem right
Board appoints SOS
SOS gets Brodie who seems a bit of an idiot to me and from previous activities with illegal gambling shouldn’t be there anyway
And a board member is one of the boys

The argument that 99% of people in AFL have monster egos doesn’t wash with me.
Get rid of them if that’s the case
Gets some good people in

The board have done a great job in correcting the finances promoting causes, promoting women’s footy
And the academy

But it’s clear the board does not know how to create an environment that produces successful on field performance
In a 20 year period you should challenge for a flag over a 5 year period given equalization

And I would love a good women being President
A good woman is better than a good man
Less ego driven you might say

"The most interesting person there was Judd"

Who gives a @#$%&! about interesting, Keogh? Surely we want people who can do their job well. I doubt "interesting" to you meets the criteria for quality people.

FWIW, I think the board have done a good job. Financials- great, redevelopment - great, membership - great.
Whats more, this is the first board in living history of the club that had the balls to embark on a full rebuild. Not a half arse effort like we've seen before. I give them more credit for that than any of their other achievements.

They appointed SOS who nailed the KP picks and struggled with the midfielders. But I don't recall too many posters whinging about his appointment at the time. The board selected industry regarded people to fulfil the roles. It's not like MLG was calling out picks on draft night!
Too many revisionists around here who bag the club at every opportunity without weighing up against the positives. FWIW, I haven't given up hope. Get a decent development program going, get a decent coaching panel and perhaps we'll see some of these kids flourish. Stocker, Philp, Kemp, they're all first round picks who haven't had the opportunity to shine yet.
We've been a victim of player availability as much as anything else.

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