TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Assistant coaches - (IN: Hamill, Clarke and Hansen)

bondiblue wrote:

Crusader wrote:

How does the club go about recruiting assistant coaches without knowing who will be in the top job?

The only way this turns around is if there is a senior coach out there with his own secret network of assistants, just waiting for the trusted leader to blow into the conch shell and cry “COACHES, ASSEMBLE!!!”

It’s a f-ing disaster.

Its not a disaster, its a decision that needs to be made for the better.

Spot on about network of Assistants. Lyon has that. But his past isn't helpful for him to get another senior coaching job. I think we are becoming a values based club (as we all want) and with carlton Respects values....you know the rest.

There's a list of 4 potential coaches, we all know. I think the AFL Commission knows that too. The net is being cast wider, and a formal panel and formal interview process is highly likely this time. did I say highly likely? After all, there's the young blood coming through the ranks who can apply too: Yze, Caracella......

Back to this thread, the next coach will have a plan re Assistants or not. It may determine who next coach is. Power will stay and O'Keefe is probably a keeper in a development role.

If Lyon had a network of coaching colleagues, he’d have a coaching job. He’s a radio commentator now.

His ceiling has been lowered to Senior Assistant, at best.

I’m aware of his resume. I’m suggesting nobody wants to work with him, neither above nor below him in the food chain. There would be too much ‘opportunity’ in his appointment, be it him usurping a fresh face in the top job, an overpaid assistant from underneath, or a newly-minted Head of Football looking to flex.

Which brings us back to the f-ing disaster. Everyone that’s good already has a job with someone else & we’re facing the prospect of replacing a full set of coaches - probably half a dozen appointments in total.

How many Playfairs, McGoverns, Martins & Williams’ can we pay before finding one Saad??

What have I missed with this Ross Lyon and this "issue" with a woman? Is it fact that was widely reported and I either forgot or never read about it to begin with?
Or is it rumour?
Or is it "fact" in that it actually happened but swept under the carpet and as such not reported by the media?

rhino27 wrote:

Lyon accuse of making comments in front of witnesses at club xmas party to a 2 month pregnant staffer that he liked her "budding boobs". Must have been more to it than that.

AFL Commission's integrity department found no sanctions required, despite the payment of six figure "hush money". The public ridicule followed the AFL commission's handling of the investigation. McLachlan said something that their only job was to resolve the problem. Yeah right, so why do they interfere in everything connected with the game?

Interesting to note that confidentiality clauses in sexual harassment cases are a matter of great controversy and they are banned in some parts of the world.

Shamefully the club or the league briefed journalists that the woman would wear brief clothes at work but was dressed that night. As if what she wears matters.

I tell you, this AFL Commission will one day be exposed as The Boys Club.

“Some might say I’m talking about a former teammate, but I bumped into Jaeger O’Meara when he was leaving the Suns. He said the best coach he ever had was Dean Solomon.

“The current players there say the best coach there is Dean Solomon for his relationships, his ability to develop players.

“How have the Suns come to this decision instead of listening to their players?

“He must have had a falling out with Stuart Dew or Stuey Dew doesn’t want him as part of his plans. No wonder they’ve fallen away in the last few weeks when players start to see their best coach is getting let go.”

Solomon’s ex-Essendon teammate Andrew Welsh took it one step further, questioning whether Dew felt “threatened” by Solomon.

“This smells a bit for mine. Perhaps a senior coach seeing how good Solomon is and is threatened but will hide behind a soft cap decision,” wrote Welsh.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/former-docker-dean-solomon-reveals-future-afl-plans-after-honest-conversation-with-adam-simpson-ng-b881739498z.amp

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... babbfbc18b

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jezzarules wrote:

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Best coach he ever had…

Big list to draw from. :donk:

Walked into another job, did he?

rhino27 wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

rhino27 wrote:

I reckon a book might be written about the boys club .in the afl
..

Thanks Bondi.

That is pretty disgraceful if accurately explained and not based on media supposition

rhino27 wrote:

Thanks Bondi.

That is pretty disgraceful if accurately explained and not based on media supposition

Edited for accuracy.

Regards Cazzesman

rhino27 wrote:

Thanks Bondi.

That is pretty disgraceful if accurately explained and not based on media supposition

Edited for accuracy.

Regards Cazzesman

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - Barker and Stanton sakced
Crusader wrote: bondiblue wrote: Crusader wrote: How does the club go about recruiting assistant coaches without knowing who will be in the top job? The only way this turns around is if there is a senior coach out there with his own secret network of assistants, just waiting for the trusted leader to blow into the conch shell and cry “COACHES, ASSEMBLE!!!” It’s a f-ing disaster. Its not a disaster, its a decision that needs to be made for the better. Spot on about network of Assistants. Lyon has that. But his past isn't helpful for him to get another senior coaching job. I think we are becoming a values based club (as we all want) and with carlton Respects values....you know the rest. There's a list of 4 potential coaches, we all know. I think the AFL Commission knows that too. The net is being cast wider, and a formal panel and formal interview process is highly likely this time. did I say highly likely? After all, there's the young blood coming through the ranks who can apply too: Yze, Caracella...... Back to this thread, the next coach will have a plan re Assistants or not. It may determine who next coach is. Power will stay and O'Keefe is probably a keeper in a development role. If Lyon had a network of coaching colleagues, he’d have a coaching job. He’s a radio commentator now. His ceiling has been lowered to Senior Assistant, at best. Maybe. I think its much deeper than that. Since his controversial exit after an issue with a woman at Freo, he has been banished. Not because he's a bad coach. Too hot to touch. But the landscape has changed, and time does heel wounds, but with Carlton Respects and amendments to the Club's Constitution proposed, it may be too hard to take him on at Carlton. Lyon adapts to his teams strengths and abilities. He is a Master Coach imo. Yes he's a master at defensive coaching. Known for his brilliant defensive mindset since way back in 2005 with the Premiership Swans. At Saints with Gherig at FF and Reiwoldt at CHF, he brainwashed defense into the team, but had a real attacking game plan. Gherig kicked over 100 goals in a season! At Freo, he didn't have those forward guns and adapted a more defensive game plan. He coached both of those teams to the big dance, so he's pretty high end. Only a bad bounce of the ball stopped him being a Premiership Coach.

Author:	sinbagger [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:03 am ]
Post subject:	Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
People make bad choices all the time, I don’t know the details of what happened with Ross Lyon but if there is no path to redemption then why would anyone admit to any fault ever? With strong PR support Carlton could take the lead on this matter and show a way forward for everyone.

Author:	Crusader [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:45 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
I’m aware of his resume. I’m suggesting nobody wants to work with him, neither above nor below him in the food chain. There would be too much ‘opportunity’ in his appointment, be it him usurping a fresh face in the top job, an overpaid assistant from underneath, or a newly-minted Head of Football looking to flex. Which brings us back to the f-ing disaster. Everyone that’s good already has a job with someone else & we’re facing the prospect of replacing a full set of coaches - probably half a dozen appointments in total. How many Playfairs, McGoverns, Martins & Williams’ can we pay before finding one Saad??

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Crusader wrote: I’m aware of his resume. I’m suggesting nobody wants to work with him, neither above nor below him in the food chain. There would be too much ‘opportunity’ in his appointment, be it him usurping a fresh face in the top job, an overpaid assistant from underneath, or a newly-minted Head of Football looking to flex. Which brings us back to the f-ing disaster. Everyone that’s good already has a job with someone else & we’re facing the prospect of replacing a full set of coaches - probably half a dozen appointments in total. How many Playfairs, McGoverns, Martins & Williams’ can we pay before finding one Saad?? Gotcha. Yeah, the poisoned challice. We need a turn of good luck asap

Author:	rhino27 [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
What have I missed with this Ross Lyon and this "issue" with a woman? Is it fact that was widely reported and I either forgot or never read about it to begin with? Or is it rumour? Or is it "fact" in that it actually happened but swept under the carpet and as such not reported by the media?

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Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
rhino27 wrote: What have I missed with this Ross Lyon and this "issue" with a woman? Is it fact that was widely reported and I either forgot or never read about it to begin with? Or is it rumour? Or is it "fact" in that it actually happened but swept under the carpet and as such not reported by the media? Lyon accuse of making comments in front of witnesses at club xmas party to a 2 month pregnant staffer that he liked her "budding boobs". Must have been more to it than that. AFL Commission's integrity department found no sanctions required, despite the payment of six figure "hush money". The public ridicule followed the AFL commission's handling of the investigation. McLachlan said something that their only job was to resolve the problem. Yeah right, so why do they interfere in everything connected with the game? Interesting to note that confidentiality clauses in sexual harassment cases are a matter of great controversy and they are banned in some parts of the world. Shamefully the club or the league briefed journalists that the woman would wear brief clothes at work but was dressed that night. As if what she wears matters. I tell you, this AFL Commission will one day be exposed as The Boys Club.

Author:	rhino27 [ Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
bondiblue wrote: rhino27 wrote: What have I missed with this Ross Lyon and this "issue" with a woman? Is it fact that was widely reported and I either forgot or never read about it to begin with? Or is it rumour? Or is it "fact" in that it actually happened but swept under the carpet and as such not reported by the media? Lyon accuse of making comments in front of witnesses at club xmas party to a 2 month pregnant staffer that he liked her "budding boobs". Must have been more to it than that. AFL Commission's integrity department found no sanctions required, despite the payment of six figure "hush money". The public ridicule followed the AFL commission's handling of the investigation. McLachlan said something that their only job was to resolve the problem. Yeah right, so why do they interfere in everything connected with the game? Interesting to note that confidentiality clauses in sexual harassment cases are a matter of great controversy and they are banned in some parts of the world. Shamefully the club or the league briefed journalists that the woman would wear brief clothes at work but was dressed that night. As if what she wears matters. I tell you, this AFL Commission will one day be exposed as The Boys Club. Thanks Bondi. That is pretty disgraceful

Author:	jezzarules [ Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/former ... 39498z.amp https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... babbfbc18b Quote: “Some might say I’m talking about a former teammate, but I bumped into Jaeger O’Meara when he was leaving the Suns. He said the best coach he ever had was Dean Solomon. “The current players there say the best coach there is Dean Solomon for his relationships, his ability to develop players. “How have the Suns come to this decision instead of listening to their players? “He must have had a falling out with Stuart Dew or Stuey Dew doesn’t want him as part of his plans. No wonder they’ve fallen away in the last few weeks when players start to see their best coach is getting let go.” Quote: Solomon’s ex-Essendon teammate Andrew Welsh took it one step further, questioning whether Dew felt “threatened” by Solomon. “This smells a bit for mine. Perhaps a senior coach seeing how good Solomon is and is threatened but will hide behind a soft cap decision,” wrote Welsh.

Author:	The Normal One [ Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
No wonder they’ve fallen away #donk

Author:	Crusader [ Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
jezzarules wrote: https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/former-docker-dean-solomon-reveals-future-afl-plans-after-honest-conversation-with-adam-simpson-ng-b881739498z.amp https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... babbfbc18b Quote: “Some might say I’m talking about a former teammate, but I bumped into Jaeger O’Meara when he was leaving the Suns. He said the best coach he ever had was Dean Solomon. “The current players there say the best coach there is Dean Solomon for his relationships, his ability to develop players. “How have the Suns come to this decision instead of listening to their players? “He must have had a falling out with Stuart Dew or Stuey Dew doesn’t want him as part of his plans. No wonder they’ve fallen away in the last few weeks when players start to see their best coach is getting let go.” Quote: Solomon’s ex-Essendon teammate Andrew Welsh took it one step further, questioning whether Dew felt “threatened” by Solomon. “This smells a bit for mine. Perhaps a senior coach seeing how good Solomon is and is threatened but will hide behind a soft cap decision,” wrote Welsh. Best coach he ever had… Big list to draw from. Walked into another job, did he?

Author:	bondiblue [ Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Crusader wrote: jezzarules wrote: https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/former-docker-dean-solomon-reveals-future-afl-plans-after-honest-conversation-with-adam-simpson-ng-b881739498z.amp https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... babbfbc18b Quote: “Some might say I’m talking about a former teammate, but I bumped into Jaeger O’Meara when he was leaving the Suns. He said the best coach he ever had was Dean Solomon. “The current players there say the best coach there is Dean Solomon for his relationships, his ability to develop players. “How have the Suns come to this decision instead of listening to their players? “He must have had a falling out with Stuart Dew or Stuey Dew doesn’t want him as part of his plans. No wonder they’ve fallen away in the last few weeks when players start to see their best coach is getting let go.” Quote: Solomon’s ex-Essendon teammate Andrew Welsh took it one step further, questioning whether Dew felt “threatened” by Solomon. “This smells a bit for mine. Perhaps a senior coach seeing how good Solomon is and is threatened but will hide behind a soft cap decision,” wrote Welsh. Best coach he ever had… Big list to draw from. Walked into another job, did he? With the soft cap stretching clubs, what choice does he have for a paid job at an AFL club? He's alluding to Solomon being a good candidate for an Assistants role in 2022. I know nothing. He might be good, he might not. Have to wait and see who Buckley, Clarkson, Pyke or Voss want as their assistant at Carlton.

Author:	Donstuie [ Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Stanton gone https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/23/ ... nt-review/ No surprise really.

Author:	azzablue [ Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
bondiblue wrote: rhino27 wrote: What have I missed with this Ross Lyon and this "issue" with a woman? Is it fact that was widely reported and I either forgot or never read about it to begin with? Or is it rumour? Or is it "fact" in that it actually happened but swept under the carpet and as such not reported by the media? Lyon accuse of making comments in front of witnesses at club xmas party to a 2 month pregnant staffer that he liked her "budding boobs". Must have been more to it than that. AFL Commission's integrity department found no sanctions required, despite the payment of six figure "hush money". The public ridicule followed the AFL commission's handling of the investigation. McLachlan said something that their only job was to resolve the problem. Yeah right, so why do they interfere in everything connected with the game? Interesting to note that confidentiality clauses in sexual harassment cases are a matter of great controversy and they are banned in some parts of the world. Shamefully the club or the league briefed journalists that the woman would wear brief clothes at work but was dressed that night. As if what she wears matters. I tell you, this AFL Commission will one day be exposed as The Boys Club. I reckon a book might be written about the boys club .in the afl ..

Author:	azzablue [ Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Donstuie wrote: Stanton gone https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/23/ ... nt-review/ No surprise really. So it begins ... add value in 3 years ziltch !! Thank you for your service

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Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
azzablue wrote: bondiblue wrote: rhino27 wrote: What have I missed with this Ross Lyon and this "issue" with a woman? Is it fact that was widely reported and I either forgot or never read about it to begin with? Or is it rumour? Or is it "fact" in that it actually happened but swept under the carpet and as such not reported by the media? Lyon accuse of making comments in front of witnesses at club xmas party to a 2 month pregnant staffer that he liked her "budding boobs". Must have been more to it than that. AFL Commission's integrity department found no sanctions required, despite the payment of six figure "hush money". The public ridicule followed the AFL commission's handling of the investigation. McLachlan said something that their only job was to resolve the problem. Yeah right, so why do they interfere in everything connected with the game? Interesting to note that confidentiality clauses in sexual harassment cases are a matter of great controversy and they are banned in some parts of the world. Shamefully the club or the league briefed journalists that the woman would wear brief clothes at work but was dressed that night. As if what she wears matters. I tell you, this AFL Commission will one day be exposed as The Boys Club. I reckon a book might be written about the boys club .in the afl ..

Author:	Effes [ Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Lenny Hayes?

Author:	Cazzesman [ Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
rhino27 wrote: Thanks Bondi. That is pretty disgraceful if accurately explained and not based on media supposition Edited for accuracy. Regards Cazzesman

Author:	rhino27 [ Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Cazzesman wrote: rhino27 wrote: Thanks Bondi. That is pretty disgraceful if accurately explained and not based on media supposition Edited for accuracy. Regards Cazzesman Fair point Cazz

Author:	Effes [ Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Amon Buchanan?

Author:	bondiblue [ Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assistant coaches - John Barker LEAVES Carlton
Cazzesman wrote: rhino27 wrote: Thanks Bondi. That is pretty disgraceful if accurately explained and not based on media supposition Edited for accuracy. Regards Cazzesman True. I'm a fan of Warner's book The Boys Club.