TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Can make the finals with 11 wins

Ads wrote:

Adelaide and North Melbourne doing us favours this weekends losing to Richmond and Western Bulldogs. If we can avoid anymore big losses, or beat either Essendon* or Richmond, we are a big sniff to make the eight with only 10 wins.

We may make it with only 9 wins....wouldn't that be something....

Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Ads wrote:

We may make it with only 9 wins....wouldn't that be something....

Wow, could we make it with 11 wins?

Man, I feel for you.

You've hinged everything on us missing the 8, so much so you wanted us to finish on 9 wins.

Suck shit!

We have 11 wins with 2 games to go, we're going to make the finals, Ratts will be coach in 2011 and you've wasted a whole year crapping on about a coach who's improved our position each year he's been in the position.

See the funny thing is if we'd finished out of the finals, I'd have been wrong and unhappy. We've made the finals....you're wrong and unhappy!

Yep, predictible because it was obvious at the end of the season I'd be happy and you'd be crying because Ratten is coach in 2011.

Yeah, I'll take being predictible anyday :wink:

You're very unpredictible. I thought you'd still be banging on about replacing Ratts.

I can enjoy watching my team play finals this year.

How will you go seeing Ratten coach the Blues in September?

I can enjoy watching my team play finals this year.

How will you go seeing Ratten coach the Blues in September?

I wasn't bagging Warnock or Grigg.

I never said Ratten was a supercoach.

I'm always happy so it's never an issue.

Yep, predictible because it was obvious at the end of the season I'd be happy and you'd be crying because Ratten is coach in 2011.

Yeah, I'll take being predictible anyday :wink:

You're very unpredictible. I thought you'd still be banging on about replacing Ratts.

I can enjoy watching my team play finals this year.

How will you go seeing Ratten coach the Blues in September?

If we finish 6th that would be a massive effort. With Fev and Stevens gone and Ratts making gutsy calls and phasing out Thornton and possibly even Houla and the sending back of Walker , Yaz and Warnoch thoughout the season we have really made changes for the better. To make these necessary changes and still get the wins on the board to finish well in the eight will be remarkable achievement. The team and coaches and would surpass most expectaions.

June and July were tough months for the club which frustrated us all but if we come out the other side of that a better team with fresher faces in the line up i personally are prepared to take the hit.

The club know as well as we all do that we need to keep building. We need to recruit hard, mix up the coaching panel and work as hard as we can on the track and in the meeting rooms to make sure that we finish this year of well and have a great preseason as to continue growing through 2011.

Go Blues !

club29 wrote:

Yes, but the thing that keeps gnawing away at me is how do we go about strengthening our alleged tactical deficiencies?
If Ratts is the man seeming to be 'short' of the required tactical abilities, how on earth do we go about appointing someone else believed to have the required tactical ability and maintaining Ratts as 'Senior' coach at the same time?

Rexy wrote:

club29 wrote:

Get Laidley as an assistant and poach Sanderson or Tudor.

So if Laidley is appointed to provide the tactics and gameplan, what does Ratts' role as 'Senior' coach entail?

Rexy wrote:

So if Laidley is appointed to provide the tactics and gameplan, what does Ratts' role as 'Senior' coach entail?

Hear where you are going Rexy, but i think Ratts can still maintain his senior roll and have assistance on match day especially if he continues to coach from the boundary. Williams obviously felt secure enough to appoint Laidley for that roll.

Author:	Springsteen [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:13 pm ]
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4 weeks is a long time in football. things can change, we may win 3 from 4 and go in with momentum so dont give up yet

Author:	Warby [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:34 pm ]
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We'd need to find some desperation.

Author:	Siegfried [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:11 pm ]
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Just did the ladder predictor after Syd beat Freo. Spots 5-8 are so open. It could be that if we lost to Freo in the last round, we go back there for the first week of the finals, but if we beat Freo, we play them in Melbourne first week. We need to win won of our last 2, otherwise most likely we will be interstate first week.

Author:	TruBlueBrad [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:52 pm ]
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote: Ads wrote: Adelaide and North Melbourne doing us favours this weekends losing to Richmond and Western Bulldogs. If we can avoid anymore big losses, or beat either Essendon* or Richmond, we are a big sniff to make the eight with only 10 wins. We may make it with only 9 wins....wouldn't that be something.... Wow, could we make it with 11 wins? Man, I feel for you. You've hinged everything on us missing the 8, so much so you wanted us to finish on 9 wins. Suck shit! We have 11 wins with 2 games to go, we're going to make the finals, Ratts will be coach in 2011 and you've wasted a whole year crapping on about a coach who's improved our position each year he's been in the position. See the funny thing is if we'd finished out of the finals, I'd have been wrong and unhappy. We've made the finals....you're wrong and unhappy!

Author:	Juddy&theKruezers [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:08 pm ]
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TruBlueBrad wrote: Juddy&theKruezers wrote: Ads wrote: Adelaide and North Melbourne doing us favours this weekends losing to Richmond and Western Bulldogs. If we can avoid anymore big losses, or beat either Essendon* or Richmond, we are a big sniff to make the eight with only 10 wins. We may make it with only 9 wins....wouldn't that be something.... Wow, could we make it with 11 wins? Man, I feel for you. You've hinged everything on us missing the 8, so much so you wanted us to finish on 9 wins. Suck shit! We have 11 wins with 2 games to go, we're going to make the finals, Ratts will be coach in 2011 and you've wasted a whole year crapping on about a coach who's improved our position each year he's been in the position. See the funny thing is if we'd finished out of the finals, I'd have been wrong and unhappy. We've made the finals....you're wrong and unhappy! TBB your such a predictable fool it simply aint funny....although it actually still is....

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Author:	TruBlueBrad [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:17 pm ]
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Yep, predictible because it was obvious at the end of the season I'd be happy and you'd be crying because Ratten is coach in 2011. Yeah, I'll take being predictible anyday You're very unpredictible. I thought you'd still be banging on about replacing Ratts. I can enjoy watching my team play finals this year. How will you go seeing Ratten coach the Blues in September?

Author:	Donstuie [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:21 pm ]
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FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Author:	TruBlueBrad [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:26 pm ]
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I wasn't bagging Warnock or Grigg. I never said Ratten was a supercoach. My biggest issue is I'm happy. Quote: I can enjoy watching my team play finals this year. How will you go seeing Ratten coach the Blues in September?

Author:	Juddy&theKruezers [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:00 am ]
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TruBlueBrad wrote: I wasn't bagging Warnock or Grigg. I never said Ratten was a supercoach. I'm always happy so it's never an issue. Same here...

Author:	brazilbeliever [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:30 pm ]
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personally I have always found the kruezer to be reasonably even with his contempt for Ratts ... he makes valid points that are worthwhile discussing. I think it comes down to one thing with Ratts ... he is learning, so whether u believe he will make a decent coach going forward is entirely a personal opinion. I was a Ratts supporter but am now very much on the fence ... last couple of weeks starting to swing towards him again only because after the Collingwood debarcle he put his head on the block and the players responded. That took some guts as I believe Ratts would have resigned if the players did not respond ... he loves the club too much to hinder its progress. Yes he has made some errors but there is no denying that after losing Fev we have made the finals again even though many predicted we would not, we have played some really great footy and some ordinary footy. In the end both camps, pro and con Ratten, are probably a little right and a little wrong ... but what I do believe is that his speech after the filth game could well prove to be a watershed moment. Then again it might not. Am I seriously on the fence or what?

Author:	club29 [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:48 pm ]
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If we finish 6th that would be a massive effort. With Fev and Stevens gone and Ratts making gutsy calls and phasing out Thornton and possibly even Houla and the sending back of Walker , Yaz and Warnoch thoughout the season we have really made changes for the better. To make these necessary changes and still get the wins on the board to finish well in the eight will be remarkable achievement. The team and coaches and would surpass most expectaions. June and July were tough months for the club which frustrated us all but if we come out the other side of that a better team with fresher faces in the line up i personally are prepared to take the hit. The club know as well as we all do that we need to keep building. We need to recruit hard, mix up the coaching panel and work as hard as we can on the track and in the meeting rooms to make sure that we finish this year of well and have a great preseason as to continue growing through 2011. Go Blues !

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:29 pm ]
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club29 wrote: If we finish 6th that would be a massive effort. With Fev and Stevens gone and Ratts making gutsy calls and phasing out Thornton and possibly even Houla and the sending back of Walker , Yaz and Warnoch thoughout the season we have really made changes for the better. To make these necessary changes and still get the wins on the board to finish well in the eight will be remarkable achievement. The team and coaches and would surpass most expectaions. June and July were tough months for the club which frustrated us all but if we come out the other side of that a better team with fresher faces in the line up i personally are prepared to take the hit. The club know as well as we all do that we need to keep building. We need to recruit hard, mix up the coaching panel and work as hard as we can on the track and in the meeting rooms to make sure that we finish this year of well and have a great preseason as to continue growing through 2011. Go Blues ! Yes, but the thing that keeps gnawing away at me is how do we go about strengthening our alleged tactical deficiencies? If Ratts is the man seeming to be 'short' of the required tactical abilities, how on earth do we go about appointing someone else believed to have the required tactical ability and maintaining Ratts as 'Senior' coach at the same time?

Author:	Princes Park Whistler [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:41 pm ]
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Rexy wrote: club29 wrote: If we finish 6th that would be a massive effort. With Fev and Stevens gone and Ratts making gutsy calls and phasing out Thornton and possibly even Houla and the sending back of Walker , Yaz and Warnoch thoughout the season we have really made changes for the better. To make these necessary changes and still get the wins on the board to finish well in the eight will be remarkable achievement. The team and coaches and would surpass most expectaions. June and July were tough months for the club which frustrated us all but if we come out the other side of that a better team with fresher faces in the line up i personally are prepared to take the hit. The club know as well as we all do that we need to keep building. We need to recruit hard, mix up the coaching panel and work as hard as we can on the track and in the meeting rooms to make sure that we finish this year of well and have a great preseason as to continue growing through 2011. Go Blues ! Yes, but the thing that keeps gnawing away at me is how do we go about strengthening our alleged tactical deficiencies? If Ratts is the man seeming to be 'short' of the required tactical abilities, how on earth do we go about appointing someone else believed to have the required tactical ability and maintaining Ratts as 'Senior' coach at the same time? Get Laidley as an assistant and poach Sanderson or Tudor.

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:56 pm ]
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Princes Park Whistler wrote: Rexy wrote: club29 wrote: If we finish 6th that would be a massive effort. With Fev and Stevens gone and Ratts making gutsy calls and phasing out Thornton and possibly even Houla and the sending back of Walker , Yaz and Warnoch thoughout the season we have really made changes for the better. To make these necessary changes and still get the wins on the board to finish well in the eight will be remarkable achievement. The team and coaches and would surpass most expectaions. June and July were tough months for the club which frustrated us all but if we come out the other side of that a better team with fresher faces in the line up i personally are prepared to take the hit. The club know as well as we all do that we need to keep building. We need to recruit hard, mix up the coaching panel and work as hard as we can on the track and in the meeting rooms to make sure that we finish this year of well and have a great preseason as to continue growing through 2011. Go Blues ! Yes, but the thing that keeps gnawing away at me is how do we go about strengthening our alleged tactical deficiencies? If Ratts is the man seeming to be 'short' of the required tactical abilities, how on earth do we go about appointing someone else believed to have the required tactical ability and maintaining Ratts as 'Senior' coach at the same time? Get Laidley as an assistant and poach Sanderson or Tudor. So if Laidley is appointed to provide the tactics and gameplan, what does Ratts' role as 'Senior' coach entail?

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Author:	Warby [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:14 pm ]
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You could ask the same question of C/wood when Malthouse starts as Director of Coaching; and Buckley as Coach.

Author:	club29 [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:17 pm ]
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When we come out and play with intensity and tackle hard and win the contested ball Ratts' tactics are pretty good. Maybe his tactics require too much effort and if the effort is 5% off we pay big time. Maybe thats where he needs help............or maybe not. Maybe he has to keep at it and keep drumming into the players that if they put in the effort they will get the results. Having said that i would like some fresh faces on the coaching team. Just to get some fresh ideas and not let the message get stale. I would love Tudor or even Viney. Both have been successful at building all over team defences and the forward 50 press thing that the top clubs do a lot better than us. I am not into a godfather type figure in the coaches box.

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:35 pm ]
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Princes Park Whistler wrote: Rexy wrote: So if Laidley is appointed to provide the tactics and gameplan, what does Ratts' role as 'Senior' coach entail? Hear where you are going Rexy, but i think Ratts can still maintain his senior roll and have assistance on match day especially if he continues to coach from the boundary. Williams obviously felt secure enough to appoint Laidley for that roll. Hmm, that didn't last too long though did it. Look that might seem practical in theory but in practice, a clash of ideologies between a supposed tactical specialist and his senior can cause problems. Basically, I believe it's the responsibility and role of the 'Senior' coach to provide a sound and productive tactical game style. If his ideologies are seen to be flawed, then perhaps he should be placed into a different role.