Just like the search for leaky sneakers during the Smorgon/Pagan years…

Or the hunt for the person that put the ex-President’s limp noodle on the internet…

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How do posters feel about how the Geelong club doctor performed at the 2025 GF?
No sanctions from AFL
Bad look for all concerned there
Won’t happen this time

The psychs and doctor are the gatekeepers.

Coach etc make decisions based on their recommendations.

If they have given the all clear (I believe they had every game he played prior as they did on Thursday) then its a cse of the AFL vs Psychs and doctors for neglect. A difficult one to prove. A bit like Butters vs Foot. He said, you said, who said? Difficult to prove.

From what I heard, Elijah was fine before the game and looking forward to the blockbuster. He seemed fine at half time. May have triggered anxiety in the 3rd because he hadnt had a touch ... then it was obvious in the 4th Elijah was fading out.

How do you argue with the professionals who had looked after Elijah all year? Complicated.

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Was that when Cameron played on with a fractured arm?
If so, it shouldnt be up to the player. It should be up to the doctor.

In all fairness, the doctor didn't have xrays in front of him to make the best judgement.
Hence, given time constraints, doctor took the players response/ opinion on face value.

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Why?

Vossy didnt ask for a psychological assessment when he asked staff whose job it is to check GPS numbers for rotations, and Vossy has a game to win and manage a game plan, his opposition's moves, and 22 other players to consider for 30 seconds a pop in a manic huddle.

Its all sounds easy, but I don't think anyone was asking questions about anyone's mental health unless they were having a concussion test. Game time is bound by deadlines. Have to work within those parameters.

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Wait, so the coaches and club sent him out to play but instructed a core group of players not to kick to him? That doesn't make sense.

However if a core group of players knew and decided amongst themselves not to kick to him, and not to tell the club? That also doesn't make sense. And if the case why is the club at fault?

Your story is like an Ogre, it has layers......many you are leaving out.

Rusted on grown men defending the club is so @#$%&! pathetic.

If you hate the club so much that you're blind to any sort of nuanced discussion then you are the pathetic one posting on here

The more I think about this the worse it gets. Elijah's desparate to play and help his teammates, the psychologist says he's ok to be on the ground, yet a group of teammates decide they're going to undermine Elijah and shut him out of the game no matter what happens?

I think the logical position to take here is we just don't know what went down and I think that is one of Sinners points.
We know the end result, but we have no clue on the events taken to get there.
Making assumptions to hang the club is pointless.
We need to let the dust settle and seeing what comes out of all the investigations seems like the most pragmatic approach to me.

Give me a @#$%&! break.

We're talking about a profession where your employer sends you out on the field to get tackled, to have high speed head on collisions, to have players taking marks and putting their knee into your skull. Where it is encouraged to dive across your opponents limbs to smother the ball, to crash into your opponents body whilst spoiling the ball and to drag them down onto the ground at high speed.

And the authority who sanctioned absolutely nobody when hundreds died in hotel quarantine, will be investigating a club who had a player run out and have no contact, no possessions or zero impact on the game. Is there any other @#$%&! wit that wants to insert themselves into the story before even a preliminary investigation has been completed?

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Good point.

Would be the AFL who cop it from Worksafe anyway.

In that case bring it on!

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Can't agree with you there mate, the sensible grown up response is to jump to the sentencing before the evidence has been heard, and to demand the club be burnt to the ground because your feelings are hurt that they're not good enough at football.

I can give you nuanced discussion, I just think your sycophantic stance is hilarious. The club [REDACTED] up, everyone knows it, end of story.

And of course I hate the club! I find it somewhat disturbing that more Carlton people don't hate the club. Part of being a Carlton supporter should be having a strong sense of what the club was, what it can be and where it is. I hate where it is. This is yet another example of where Carlton is...in its decision making, its development, its culture, its actions.

But this is in the wrong thread.

As for Voss. He's well and truly snookered. But no point culling him now. I'm still in the let him coach out the year camp.

The club is negligible in its actions
No doubt
I couldn’t watch all the vision
I was too sad and angry at the same time
We don’t know why Hollands acted like he did. Nor should we. But he should have been not allowed to to play.
It’s that simple. I understand why we disagree about things here but this is black and white
Anyone who thinks Hollands actions were normal and or couldn’t be seen by the plethora of Carlton employees from the footage I saw last night are lying

Agree that the club gave Hollands 2 chances to continue his career.
But they have also ruined his career bu playing him for over 80% of the first half and 60% of the total game
The club just like any club have a duty of care which is more important than winning a game of football particularly in relation to Hollands past. Surely there would be extra diligence in making sure he was ok
Unfortunately there are some who refuse to believe it
It’s there Watch it. It’s different this time because it’s out in the open
And I’ll reiterate. The club is extremely lucky something bad didn’t happen

Of course we are entitled to the exact reasons he was allowed stay on and which employees of the club are responsible . In these situations unfortunately there is more arse coverings than the truth being told

The sad part is Elijah being hung out to dry

Voss said in the after press conference that Elijah said he let me down
No
Voss let you down. He wanted to keep you on to keep his job

As for some you posters the club was negligent
It’s that @#$%&! simple because with a few click of a button you can see it

And one other thing to some posters
Question
If you were Elijah’s parents how would you feel
It’s disgusting

Evidence? No...you want to start somewhere on Thursday. That's not the issue here. Shouldn't have been on the list to start with is the issue. The club [REDACTED] up. Again. The problems have been very evident. The trust was eroded with some (not all) a long time ago.

I'm sorry that you have interpreted that I care about what the football results are. While I don't enjoy losing to Collingwood, I have been quite adamant that this is a bottom 6 club for some time. I just didn't expect it to keep reloading the same gun and repeatedly shoot itself in the foot.

Why don't you ask his brother who posted this message today-



Bummer hey? Doesn't fit your narrative? Geez you must be disappointed the family is thankful.
Let's wait for the facts to come out and the investigation to conclude before resuming your normal lynching of all involved.

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