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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:24 pm 
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Surely we can configure a sham deal like the Bummers and Lions did for Daniher. Didn't the Bummers claim Daniher received 800K over 3 years or something similar but after the compo was awarded, the deal magically reduced significantly.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:41 pm 
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I hope the reports of our salary cap being tight is not right. There’s significant holes to fill in the side if we’re to do anything meaningful.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:12 pm 
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Question marks over Fogarty Cottrell O’Brien Dow Hayes Setterfield Cuningham Marchbank Parks Stocker Philp Newnes at the end of the year.

Too many players who are either injured or can’t produce consistent AFL performances.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:55 am 
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And McDonald. Unfortunately I cannot see any justification for keeping him on, he appears to be permabusted.

Gov, Williams and Martin all under a cloud too but obviously not easy to move on, and have the greatest upside if we can sort them out.

If it were my job to sift through your list, I'd go:
Keep - Cottrell O'Brien Dow Marchbank Stocker Newnes
Look to move on - Fogarty Hayes Setterfield Cuningham Parks Philp

That is not to say that I think the latter six are useless, but in terms of ceiling + availability I think they miss the cut. It's especially difficult to say that about Cunners, and I'd love to persist with him if we had fewer broken bodies on the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:56 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
And McDonald. Unfortunately I cannot see any justification for keeping him on, he appears to be permabusted.


Apparentley the club have found someone who reckons he can fix McDonalds back issue. If he proves he is over them by end of year they want him to stay


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:03 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
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And McDonald. Unfortunately I cannot see any justification for keeping him on, he appears to be permabusted.


Apparentley the club have found someone who reckons he can fix McDonalds back issue. If he proves he is over them by end of year they want him to stay

Not sure why we'd worry now he's missed two years of football

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:05 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
And McDonald. Unfortunately I cannot see any justification for keeping him on, he appears to be permabusted.


Apparentley the club have found someone who reckons he can fix McDonalds back issue. If he proves he is over them by end of year they want him to stay

Not sure why we'd worry now he's missed two years of football


Like Charlie did?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:27 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
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And McDonald. Unfortunately I cannot see any justification for keeping him on, he appears to be permabusted.


Apparentley the club have found someone who reckons he can fix McDonalds back issue. If he proves he is over them by end of year they want him to stay

Not sure why we'd worry now he's missed two years of football


Like Charlie did?

Oscar isn't Charlie or Marchy or Docherty or Cunningham who had all shown something before injury

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:58 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
And McDonald. Unfortunately I cannot see any justification for keeping him on, he appears to be permabusted.


Apparentley the club have found someone who reckons he can fix McDonalds back issue. If he proves he is over them by end of year they want him to stay

Not sure why we'd worry now he's missed two years of football


Like Charlie did?

Oscar isn't Charlie or Marchy or Docherty or Cunningham who had all shown something before injury


I reckon he did and he can fill a vital role.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:19 pm 
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In the preseason, Oscar looked the obvious choice to replace Jones.
Young didnt look anywhere as strong and experienced as Oscar.

Oscar is a rookie, and we were grateful we had him when Jones went down.
Ive heard the club are keen to hold onto him if the op proves a success as they expect.

Hopefully, next year, we have Oscar and Durdin on the cheap playing VFL. Both good back up for the KPD, and those who can't remember what Oscar can do...well there's 100 AFL games he's played and only 26yo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:46 pm 
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how bad was silvagni recruiting , Sps,Dow.and Lob first rnd picks and then he picks GWS players they didnt want ,plowman ,setters . kennedy (ok this yr but slow ) then injury brigade that history at previous club ,martin.williams, and Gov. He nailed curnow and TDK and i could pf picked walsh and weits.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:08 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
how bad was silvagni recruiting , Sps,Dow.and Lob first rnd picks and then he picks GWS players they didnt want ,plowman ,setters . kennedy (ok this yr but slow ) then injury brigade that history at previous club ,martin.williams, and Gov. He nailed curnow and TDK and i could pf picked walsh and weits.

oooo, this is a novel discussion point.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:47 pm 
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muzza wrote:
jpulice1969 wrote:
how bad was silvagni recruiting , Sps,Dow.and Lob first rnd picks and then he picks GWS players they didnt want ,plowman ,setters . kennedy (ok this yr but slow ) then injury brigade that history at previous club ,martin.williams, and Gov. He nailed curnow and TDK and i could pf picked walsh and weits.

oooo, this is a novel discussion point.

Whatever happened to

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:31 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
how bad was silvagni recruiting , Sps,Dow.and Lob first rnd picks and then he picks GWS players they didnt want ,plowman ,setters . kennedy (ok this yr but slow ) then injury brigade that history at previous club ,martin.williams, and Gov. He nailed curnow and TDK and i could pf picked walsh and weits.


Recruiters fault or club and culture? Didn't he also pick Curnow & McKay? and how does it stack up to other recruiting?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:34 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
how bad was silvagni recruiting , Sps,Dow.and Lob first rnd picks and then he picks GWS players they didnt want ,plowman ,setters . kennedy (ok this yr but slow ) then injury brigade that history at previous club ,martin.williams, and Gov. He nailed curnow and TDK and i could pf picked walsh and weits.


...and Pitto and Harry

I agree. It doesn't look good.

Jury still out with his other first round picks: Stocker, Philp, Kemp...and Cuningham who was the last picked in the first round of 2015 draft.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:21 pm 
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Various aspects to list management. Agree his drafting was hit and miss and jury is still out on others.
However, he did an exceptional job getting our TPPs down which in turn enabled us to have a real crack at some FA's.
Again some misses, but think his trading was good. In particular what we good for players we traded out such as the Gibbs trade and the "Hendo pick".


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:21 pm 
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what would people say if he was not favorite son gun player but recruiting not that good ,hughes ,rogers really stuff club up. The most important people at a club recruiting manager .


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:53 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
what would people say if he was not favorite son gun player but recruiting not that good ,hughes ,rogers really stuff club up. The most important people at a club recruiting manager .


You can say that again .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:48 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Various aspects to list management. Agree his drafting was hit and miss and jury is still out on others.
However, he did an exceptional job getting our TPPs down which in turn enabled us to have a real crack at some FA's.
Again some misses, but think his trading was good. In particular what we good for players we traded out such as the Gibbs trade and the "Hendo pick".


Agree on TPP, and his first draft with all those first round picks he had.

Gibbs deal was a pearler.
The Hendo pick was straight forward.

He had it pretty easy being allowed to Trade for picks and rebuilding a whole list.
He will be judged when all his recruits have played their careers... Dow has a breakthough year....at another club?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:27 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Various aspects to list management. Agree his drafting was hit and miss and jury is still out on others.
However, he did an exceptional job getting our TPPs down which in turn enabled us to have a real crack at some FA's.
Again some misses, but think his trading was good. In particular what we good for players we traded out such as the Gibbs trade and the "Hendo pick".


Agree on TPP, and his first draft with all those first round picks he had.

Gibbs deal was a pearler.
The Hendo pick was straight forward.

He had it pretty easy being allowed to Trade for picks and rebuilding a whole list.
He will be judged when all his recruits have played their careers... Dow has a breakthough year....at another club?


Agree with everything you said though if a player leaves and flourishes at another club, how much is the recruitment of that player at fault as opposed to player development/club culture?

For the record I'm not in the SOS is the greatest list manager of all time camp. Nor am I he was total shit camp.
I think he did a reasonable job overall. Not a great and not a bad job. Reasonable.


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