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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:55 pm 
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If you just get onto the AFL website and watch the first 15 or so minutes of the game again.
It's not coaching.
Betts has a shot he normally eats . Hits the base of post irrelevant anyway Forest had given away the free.
Darling gets 10 meters on Weiters.
Ryan gets 5 metres on stocker
Forest has 4 players he could have given off to and choose to kick towards boundary deliberate.
Fisher has a flying shot misses.
Setterfield misses
JSOS misses
JSOS again misses
Harry misses.
Murphy gets kick smothered when a simple baulk or give to Fisher would have been a goal.

I turned to the guy sitting next to me and said there's the game we might as well go home.

A confident good team playing as a team would have been 5 goals up at quarter time. We went in down.
The game was done and dusted before Harry went Down.
The rot had set in when Pitto started missing in the 2nd
5 goals up he kicks them every day of the week.

You can't coach that

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:12 pm 
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You can't coach mindset? Execution under pressure?

I think you can...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:17 pm 
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Compare where their first 4 or 5 shots were from compared to ours. That tells a story about our defence.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:19 pm 
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I struggle with the notion Teague has an attacking game plan - he does if that means chipping the ball wide on a narrow, short ground and flooding everyone into the F50 and then bombing it long and hoping someone finds a whole carrot amongst that vomit. Then you trot along guarding space a few metres off the WCE ball carrier as they take 3 kicks to a one on one to expose us cold.

thats neither an attacking game plan or a defensive one.
that's just another form of crap. And then you can roll in the complete lack of emotion from Teague and it just cooks you to watch it.

he's in charge - i'd love to see him throw the magnets around and try something. We didn't even barrel it up the guts when we're down four with five minutes to go.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:22 pm 
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Every shot we had was within 35 meters from goal.
The were launching from 45 out .

Fish has a flying shot from 20 out directly in front.

Setterfield didn't make the distance from 30 meters

I will give you a tip put our blokes in the same spots WC were and we miss

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Because mindset hunger and execution.

Agree.

Except for Owies.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:44 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Because mindset hunger and execution.

Agree.

Except for Owies.
Confidence

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:48 pm 
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Yeah don't disagree. Mindset in my thoughts = confidence.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:17 pm 
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Wild Blue wrote:
I struggle with the notion Teague has an attacking game plan - he does if that means chipping the ball wide on a narrow, short ground and flooding everyone into the F50 and then bombing it long and hoping someone finds a whole carrot amongst that vomit. Then you trot along guarding space a few metres off the WCE ball carrier as they take 3 kicks to a one on one to expose us cold.

thats neither an attacking game plan or a defensive one.
that's just another form of crap. And then you can roll in the complete lack of emotion from Teague and it just cooks you to watch it.

he's in charge - i'd love to see him throw the magnets around and try something. We didn't even barrel it up the guts when we're down four with five minutes to go.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:43 pm 
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Nick wrote:
You are assuming Teague wasn't.

Maybe he was and this was his dream team plus Longmuir who unfortunately got the Freo gig at the wrong time for us.


Maybe Teague seems compelled by loyalty to those who helped him get the job, such as assistants and senior players.

Doesn’t paint the greatest picture…


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:45 pm 
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In my opinion, the only way Teague survives is if he comes clean to the CEO etc, and also the players, and he admits that his game plan didn't work. That he has a new game plan that is based initially on defence, but which will have a strong and successful attacking element once the defensive side of things works first. He almost needs to beg to be allowed to start over with a new approach. He said yesterday that they are constantly tweaking the game plan. That sounds a lot to me like he is incrementally changing the game plan. Why not just come out and say you went too attacking David? You might earn back the respect and trust of all around you and in turn get the players to 100% buy into a new, more defensive game style. Right now it is looking like the players are doubting the game plan they've been asked to employ.


Maybe because some of the senior players liked the more attacking game plan?

Thing is it looks like he’s trying to add defensive layers to the attacking game plan, which seems a compromise that isn’t working.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:47 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Interesting given the players' love for Teague began due to his simple gameplan compared to Bolton.

Now it's too complicated.

Who's really in charge here?


That’s what I wonder too. Our senior players haven’t achieved anything to warrant us thinking they know best.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:49 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
If you just get onto the AFL website and watch the first 15 or so minutes of the game again.
It's not coaching.
Betts has a shot he normally eats . Hits the base of post irrelevant anyway Forest had given away the free.
Darling gets 10 meters on Weiters.
Ryan gets 5 metres on stocker
Forest has 4 players he could have given off to and choose to kick towards boundary deliberate.
Fisher has a flying shot misses.
Setterfield misses
JSOS misses
JSOS again misses
Harry misses.
Murphy gets kick smothered when a simple baulk or give to Fisher would have been a goal.

I turned to the guy sitting next to me and said there's the game we might as well go home.

A confident good team playing as a team would have been 5 goals up at quarter time. We went in down.
The game was done and dusted before Harry went Down.
The rot had set in when Pitto started missing in the 2nd
5 goals up he kicks them every day of the week.

You can't coach that

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:06 pm 
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We need to stop proving David King right


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T8fmfqNcu0


geez, but they are all spot on with what they are saying, even monga tanga

i particularly liked what king said about asking saad to defend - makes me wonder what teague does, or what level of control / respect he has of the players

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:59 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Because mindset hunger and execution.

Agree.

Except for Owies.
Confidence

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Missing easy goals has been a feature of our game for such a long time

It is such a deflator and does impact games, particularly when you are losing by 3-4 goals

Even our best forward is a crap kick for goal

Definitely something that should be explored in the external review


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:05 am 
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And to make things more interesting we have no reserves playing. Kemp missing out on real time footy as is Honey, Parks etc


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:19 am 
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WOW wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Because mindset hunger and execution.

Agree.

Except for Owies.
Confidence

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Missing easy goals has been a feature of our game for such a long time

It is such a deflator and does impact games, particularly when you are losing by 3-4 goals

Even our best forward is a crap kick for goal

Definitely something that should be explored in the external review



How many Carlton players would you bet your house on if they were 30m out directly in front?
Maybe Owies?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:20 am 
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A few questions raised in today's HeraldSun article by Scott Gullan (some of which we've raised ourselves) ....

Why was 12-gamer Liam Stocker left on Liam Ryan?

Why wasn’t co-captain Sam Docherty given the responsibility to shut down Ryan?

Why was Ed Curnow, the Blues No.1 stopper, left on a halfback flank?

Why was Andrew Gaff and Dom Sheed allowed to collect 62 possessions between them (think Curnow)?

Why was Jacob Weitering not thrown forward when Harry McKay went down?

Why wasn’t Patrick Cripps tried in the goalsquare?

What has happened to Marc Murphy who looks shot?

Why has Jack Martin gone backwards?

Teague’s body language was also a topic of discussion after he switched it up and sat on the interchange bench at the SCG on Sunday.

As one former old school coach said: “What’s the impression you get when you see the coach cross-legged on the bench looking as if he is meeting someone for a cup of coffee?”

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:20 am 
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bender wrote:
geez, but they are all spot on with what they are saying, even monga tanga

i particularly liked what king said about asking saad to defend - makes me wonder what teague does, or what level of control / respect he has of the players


They're right about a lot of it but Montagna saying we play one on one? I don't know who the @#$%&! he is watching.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:22 am 
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Has anyone watched the series Ted Lasso and the reason he was brought over to coach an English soccer team?

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