Yep - it's time IMO.

I can imagine that each time our young players look at Simpson and Murphy, they don't think "wow, how great to have such experienced leaders I can learn from". I'm guessing it's more like "...so these guys are still here huh...", "well I guess that means I can avoid the heat for another week" or "well I guess if they can cock up without consequence for so long, it doesn't matter if I do as well."

Get them out of the team and force those left to figure it the @#$%&! out themselves.

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Our midfield is so one dimensional it isn’t funny. All we have in their is contested players - Cripps, Ed, Setters and Kennedy (when he plays). Not surprising we’re strong in the contested ball stats. However, the second another team equals or betters us in the contest, we are absolutely toast. They flick it out to quick and skilful outside players who can move the ball end to end in a flash. We don’t have these players (apart from Walsh) so all we do is hack it slowly forward when we get it. Our midfielders are too slow to defend the spread.

Yet we refuse to play Fisher and Cunners around the ball who have speed and skill. We need to either put these guys on the ball or recruit some genuine class and speed into our midfield. Otherwise, we’re too easy to play against in the middle. I’m a big Ed Curnow fan but he should not be our second best midfielder at this stage.

good post, exactly what happened in the last qtr

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It was mentioned a few weeks back .... we just don't have anyone who imposes himself on the game.

That was terrible tonight. Had GWS kicked straight early it would have been over at half time. They didn't put any scoreboard pressure on us early on and we made the most of it. When they did in the last it was game over.

We're almost a rabble .... especially up forward.

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The only player with any strut about them is Charlie

Used to be Crippa

I’ve had a hard time finding any stats, whether they confirm or disprove my argument, but my memory is that each of Fisher, SPS and Dow averaged around 20 possessions in the Champs. Solid numbers, but not what I would consider accumulators. Stocker and Philp had good TAC numbers, but weren’t at the championships.

I actually agree that Fisher, Dow and SPS in particular should be getting a good amount of midfield time. I think the amount Dow has got in the last 2 games has been about right. Fish and SPS need more. Again, I think it comes back to them taking their chances though. Dow hasn’t done enough in the past 2 games to demand more time and I think Teague is pushing these young guys and making them demand it.

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I am happy with centre bounce rotation of 4 to 5 players when there are 25 plus goals kicked in a game and 29 plus centre bounces
No I am not.
I am happy when there are 13 centre bounces yes I am.
Teague was trying to win these games not giving free hits in the middle for players who haven't shown enough to deserve it.

This talk of players on the wing or Half forward most are there for 10 seconds after the bounce at worst.
They are pushing forward flooding back filling holes all over the ground. Walsh doesn't sit out on the wing and say kick it to me he runs all over the ground making himself an option and when the ball turns over he is right on his opponents tail.
Its gut running him and Curnow are the only ones that do it. Settlefield bust his arse to get to every stoppage so does cripps.
SPS Dow and Fisher don't gut run enough.
How many times have you seen SPS kick the ball and then bust his arse to provide the next option like most running defenders do.
Hell even Polson does it.
Don't blame Teague for trying to win games with his better players and don't reward lazy footballers

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Pretty deflating season, our composure inside the forward 50 has killed us. As Carlton fans we are pessimists given what we have been through, but i think the frustration that we have been well on top of two quality teams (a Prelim Finalist and a Grand Finalist of the previous year) and blew two golden opportunities has taken that frustration to a new level.

Our lack of leadership doesn't help either. It's going to be a long summer.

Hope so

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Any thoughts on how Russell has or hasn't impacted the team?

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You partly asswered your own criticism there mentioning Cunningham and Fisher. We also have O'Brien, SPS and Martin who can play outside.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

There's just so much to say:
The Good:
The Giants have been touching us up by 15 goals in recent times, so I don't believe we were ever going to win the game, especially with the amount of elite talent in their side. Our performance was were we are at. With all the holes in personnel, tactics and toughness we could still compete.
The Bad:
When they sacked Bolton and SOS the board officially lost their nerve and gave up on the rebuild. Now we are playing to make the 8 not win a flag. Based on the last 2 performances we are 3 or 4 players away from being a top 8 side. So with some good recruiting this off-season we will make the 8 next year.
The Ugly:
Our kids, aside from a couple of stand-outs aren't going to be good enough to take us to the promised land.

So here we are stuck in the middle (I.e. roadkill) which might just be worse than being on the bottom.

Cb

Was a very quiet 90 minute drive back to Brisbane from Metricon...at least the traffic wasn’t too bad.

2nd time in a week I’ve fronted up and been front row centre for this dysfunctional shitshow masquerading as a footy club.

1.9 in 5 quarters of football

A 4 goal run to 0 in yet another unacceptable 4th quarter fade out

Abysmal forward entries, more butchers than a BBQ convention

Until this team understands that 100% effort is required for 4 quarters, we’ll never be anything but a pricktease

Scared of winning and I don’t know why. Blues are killing us

See you back there on Tuesday for the Swans game.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Yep, will be there

I guess at least this year I haven’t had to fork out big bucks on planes and hotels to fly down and watch us get whacked in Melbourne sporadically when I could find time, the disappointment is now right in my backyard each and every week...this must be how Victorian supporters felt pre-Covid, fronting up to this BS pretty much every week

Yes.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Geez, we had some absolutely horrible players tonight.

SPS... honestly thought he was knocked out of the game in the warm up. If his body isn’t injured, his pride certainly is. Get over it son.
Fisher... seemed lively, then copped a knock and spent the rest of the game skulking out wide like some poor mistreated dog. Not sure he enjoys the contact side of the game. It can’t all be candy and joe the goose.
Cottrell... but he can run though.

The rest of the f-wittery was a nice even spread amongst our better mids, in particular the hatchet jobs done on our forward entries.


AND YET.... if Harry could kick a straight drop punt, we win the game.

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