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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:36 pm 
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Carlton's season looks to be on the ropes, some key tactical decisions may be contributing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/ ... /100218856

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Devoted footy fans might have noticed that Carlton's backline sets up a little differently to other sides.

No team leaves its defenders more isolated than the Blues, who face more contested defensive one-on-one opportunities than anyone else. It's a shift that has noticeably happened since David Teague took over from Brendon Bolton.


Great link Effes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:01 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
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I don't really see Buckley as a messiah complex. Clarkson definitely. But not Buckley.

And Clarkson going nowhere


If you are disappointed a coach hasn’t turned the entire club around in barely two seasons then you believe in the messiah.
Nah, I'm disappointed Teague has made consistently poor positional decisions and seemingly not enforced a standard level of commitment across our playing list.

In short, from the cheap seats I reckon he lets a comfortable culture remain. Once he got the job, it was time for that to stop.

I believe with absolutely no knowledge and a very questionable football pedigree myself, that he has chosen to not address it.

And if he has and the players are not listening, take action.

And by action I don't mean
In: Newnes
Out: Gibbons

It's the new

In: Bannister, Wiggins
Out: McGrath, Sporn


No newly experienced coach has been as compromised in their ability to impart their values as much as Teague.

Since his appointment, he has had a 30% reduction in his department & support staff, no VFL football to train players away from AFL or even to promote/demote players who don't perform, huge number of injuries resulting constant shuffling of teams and compromised selection process and massive change in rules of the game.

Teague is not beyond criticism, but he had not had anywhere near enough time to make a judgement call on whether he can coach or not


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:11 pm 
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Fair points Steve.

I want him to succeed. Of course.

I just can't see it happening.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:14 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Fair points Steve.

I want him to succeed. Of course.

I just can't see it happening.


What about giving him a chance before you can or can't.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:46 pm 
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I want him to stay but understand it's a hard sell given how crap we've been, & I say it without a lot of conviction.

The thing for me is, we say we want to change the culture of this footy club, well the culture has always been sack the coach & start again. Let's have a real dip for a change.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:53 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I want him to stay but understand it's a hard sell given how crap we've been, & I say it without a lot of conviction.

The thing for me is, we say we want to change the culture of this footy club, well the culture has always been sack the coach & start again. Let's have a real dip for a change.


The past is irrelevant.

The immediate question now is can Teague coach?

Doesn’t look like it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:58 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
I don't really see Buckley as a messiah complex. Clarkson definitely. But not Buckley.

And Clarkson going nowhere


If you are disappointed a coach hasn’t turned the entire club around in barely two seasons then you believe in the messiah.
Nah, I'm disappointed Teague has made consistently poor positional decisions and seemingly not enforced a standard level of commitment across our playing list.

In short, from the cheap seats I reckon he lets a comfortable culture remain. Once he got the job, it was time for that to stop.

I believe with absolutely no knowledge and a very questionable football pedigree myself, that he has chosen to not address it.

And if he has and the players are not listening, take action.

And by action I don't mean
In: Newnes
Out: Gibbons

It's the new

In: Bannister, Wiggins
Out: McGrath, Sporn


No newly experienced coach has been as compromised in their ability to impart their values as much as Teague.

Since his appointment, he has had a 30% reduction in his department & support staff, no VFL football to train players away from AFL or even to promote/demote players who don't perform, huge number of injuries resulting constant shuffling of teams and compromised selection process and massive change in rules of the game.

Teague is not beyond criticism, but he had not had anywhere near enough time to make a judgement call on whether he can coach or not


Nicks, Longmuir, Rutten, and maybe even Noble have shown more in less time, with less talent, than Teague


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:26 am 
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GWS wrote:
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Teague should be replaced if you go through our Intire list see how many players have improved and how many have gone backwards
At best we would have 5 players that have improved and the rest have stalled or gone backwards
Teague ain’t the coach to take us forward


So H and Weitering knocking on the door of All Australian and Walsh on brink of winning B&F is going backwards?

As for Dow and SPS.... they have started as 12 posessions a game players to 14 posessions a game players.. they were just poor draft picks or just need more time not ready for AFL football yet.


Winmar, Winmar, Winmar to Lockett!

The sign of a failing club is when their supporters throw up individuals as saviours.

How many flags did Gary Ablett Snr win?

Most teams have a few great players.

We’re not special in that regard and our great players aren’t taking us anywhere near a premiership without a shitload more support and a significant change in attitude.

Your worst ten players win you a flag, not your best ten.

And it’s their attitude and training and unity that counts, not their talent.

And you still haven’t answered my question.


It’s not just the list. When will people here realise it’s not simply the cattle. Or the injuries. Or the draft picks. Footy isn’t track and field for heck’s sake.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:08 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I want him to stay but understand it's a hard sell given how crap we've been, & I say it without a lot of conviction.

The thing for me is, we say we want to change the culture of this footy club, well the culture has always been sack the coach & start again. Let's have a real dip for a change.


The past is irrelevant.

The immediate question now is can Teague coach?

Doesn’t look like it.



Oh I did mention I'm backing him without conviction :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:35 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
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Fair points Steve.

I want him to succeed. Of course.

I just can't see it happening.


What about giving him a chance before you can or can't.
True. He IS the best young coach in the game after all and will deliver us a heap of flags.

Where is the line between 'giving him a chance' and 'not up to it'?

End of the year?

End of next year?

Rd 6 2027?

I don't know. I'm an ignorant football fan chirping from the sidelines. But *I* *can't* *see* *it*.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:43 pm 
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:lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:14 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
It’s not just the list. When will people here realise it’s not simply the cattle. Or the injuries. Or the draft picks. Footy isn’t track and field for heck’s sake.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:08 pm 
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Put an extra number up at stoppages. Like WOW!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:17 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
Walsh wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Fair points Steve.

I want him to succeed. Of course.

I just can't see it happening.


What about giving him a chance before you can or can't.
True. He IS the best young coach in the game after all and will deliver us a heap of flags.

Where is the line between 'giving him a chance' and 'not up to it'?

End of the year?

End of next year?

Rd 6 2027?

I don't know. I'm an ignorant football fan chirping from the sidelines. But *I* *can't* *see* *it*.



He has faced big challenges as a young coach - full year in the hub last year in his first year to set standards wasn't helpful. Need proper facilities to educate and train.
This year has been moving players like musical chairs due to injury list this came at a time when we played all the top sides that had no injuries to key players. That definitely not helped but did not get defeated by larger than 31 points and in all those games. Bar 1 or 2 games....with all that in mind first half of season he gets a C

Second half with a more manageable injury list and key players hitting match fitness and development of youngsters in VFL should be more of a standard to what we can expect moving forward.

With al that in mind I think he needs to see through at least end of next year.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:46 am 
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That press conference yesterday was cringe worthy to say the least.
To simply not recognise that our defensive systems are not working and to actually believe there is nothing wrong and NO changes will be made is mind blowing.
The STATS are there for a reason for you to use and get better at or even try and change but to suggest and still after more than 12 months of failure in our defensive half that there is absolutely nothing wrong is seriously delusional.
It's not a 5 week sample here that we are talking about it's more than 12 bloody months.
No wonder teams continue to kick 5-6 goals easily??
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:35 pm 
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Not sure Leading Teams is the answer here.

Leading Teams is fantastic at being able to identify where the underperformance is occurring, and identifying your structures and processes that need addressing to rectify it.

What it doesn't do is guarantee buy in to these changes, or empowering the right people in the right positions to deliver these changes, and hold people accountable for not buying in.

With respect to what Leading Teams offer, Snowy on the Tram can offer that at this point, and we can save plenty on Ray McLean's invoice as a result.

Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney have thrived off the advice of Leading Teams because of their strong leaders prepares to drive culture change and accountability. Blame, Cook, Clarkson, Kennett, Harley, Colless, Roos are just the off-field component.

We have a bunch of factional leaders telling the Federal ALP to hold their drink as they show them a master-class in shoring up the existing power structures at the expense of the cause itself.

Murphy has blatantly whiteanted every coach he's had, often publicly, usually in response to being asked to play a role that benefits the team and goes beyond racking up easy touches. I'd be willing to bet that at no point numerous List Management teams have considered how he fits in as a personality fit to the club, and whether he's detrimental to the overall culture. Just whether his form demands a spot on the list and the impact on the cap.

At what point does Cripps' personality and emotional intelligence get analysed by someone suitably qualified to assess his leadership capacity? I'm not a believer in corporate horoscopes like Meyers Briggs but I imagine they carry some weight in successful organisations and how they choose their leaders.

I don't think we have anyone at the club qualified and capable of driving the necessary cultural and process changes required to adapt as a modern sporting organisation, and plenty who see it as detrimental to their own agenda. Far bigger driver of our constant Charlie Brown kicking the football scenario than Dow's midfield minutes or getting a third man up in the back half.


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If Ross came to the club with Fyfe and Cerra, would we all be happy?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:51 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
If Ross came to the club with Fyfe and Cerra, would we all be happy?


Nah we've already got a coach.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:59 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
If Ross came to the club with Fyfe and Cerra, would we all be happy?


If we straight swapped Fyfe for Cripps, who loses out more?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:52 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Not sure Leading Teams is the answer here.

Leading Teams is fantastic at being able to identify where the underperformance is occurring, and identifying your structures and processes that need addressing to rectify it.

What it doesn't do is guarantee buy in to these changes, or empowering the right people in the right positions to deliver these changes, and hold people accountable for not buying in.

With respect to what Leading Teams offer, Snowy on the Tram can offer that at this point, and we can save plenty on Ray McLean's invoice as a result.

Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney have thrived off the advice of Leading Teams because of their strong leaders prepares to drive culture change and accountability. Blame, Cook, Clarkson, Kennett, Harley, Colless, Roos are just the off-field component.

We have a bunch of factional leaders telling the Federal ALP to hold their drink as they show them a master-class in shoring up the existing power structures at the expense of the cause itself.

Murphy has blatantly whiteanted every coach he's had, often publicly, usually in response to being asked to play a role that benefits the team and goes beyond racking up easy touches. I'd be willing to bet that at no point numerous List Management teams have considered how he fits in as a personality fit to the club, and whether he's detrimental to the overall culture. Just whether his form demands a spot on the list and the impact on the cap.

At what point does Cripps' personality and emotional intelligence get analysed by someone suitably qualified to assess his leadership capacity? I'm not a believer in corporate horoscopes like Meyers Briggs but I imagine they carry some weight in successful organisations and how they choose their leaders.

I don't think we have anyone at the club qualified and capable of driving the necessary cultural and process changes required to adapt as a modern sporting organisation, and plenty who see it as detrimental to their own agenda. Far bigger driver of our constant Charlie Brown kicking the football scenario than Dow's midfield minutes or getting a third man up in the back half.


:clap:

Murph's a.......... personality. Who cares a whole damn lot about Murph. And the team of course. But mostly Murph. The interactions I've had with him over the years, always got my spidey senses tingling about the guy. Will leave it at that.

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