Good pick up bondi, warnock if fit is a must.

I think Warnock has a lot to prove before he steps into that line-up. The versatility of Kreuzer and the enthusiasm Hammer has for playing up forward are huge positives for the two of them being the starting ruck combination.

This time last year I felt we were desperate for Warnock because he would at least shield them from the physical rigours, but it seemed like those two boys just got stronger as the season wore on. They surpassed all expectations and the ruck responsibilities should be theirs to lose.

As for Browne, I'm not naming him for his defensive capabilities, I simply see him as the next best midfielder to slot into the team. The fact that he can pinch hit down back or up forward is simply a bonus; his natural role is as a guy who will bust his gut between the two areas.

Grigg would have that slot if his disposal and decision making hadn't gone backwards this year. Really poor from Shaun, who at times played like he had it made.

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Not a bad team at all jimmae .

I'd consider O'hAilpin instead of Henderson first up , and have Hadley on the bench . I think we need either him or McLean to be on the ground at all times .

Agree about Warnock . He's got a hell of a lot to prove , and is starting a mile behind .
With the improvement in our other 3 ruckmen in 2009 , the recruitment of RW may well turn out to be a mistake .

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I like it Jimmae but the only thing that worries me about the sides being named is the kicking skills wehave coming out of defence. It was the reason we picked Johnson (although didnt work) and has been a problem for us for a while now.

Sides like Geelong and St Kilda and even Hawthorn in 2008 loaded up their defences with players who can run the lines and kick the ball long to position ala Mackie, Hunt, Hodge, Guerra, Gram, Goddard etc. This is a huge part of the modern game.

I believe if we are serious we need to look at our defence especially around the flanks. IMO guys like O'Keefe, Browne, Yarran, Gibbs, Russell, Houlihan need to be the players we look at running out of defence. Players like Armfield worry me with his disposal and for me AJ will be part of the midfield rotation and shut down the oppositions best player.

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Hugely agree with thePsychologist re kicking skills of half back. Armfield may be able to break lines with run, but he can't break lines with long kicking. In that sense, he may be better suited to back pocket.

Bizarrely enough, I think Russell is actually the key to the side next year. If he keeps up the form he showed over the last 6 weeks of the season then many of our prayers are answered. But we do need to think about getting better kicks to half back flank. Hopefully O'Keefe can come through, but otherwise we need to consider Gibbs. Would Grigg be worth a shot there, or would his defensive skills be lacking?

Agree with what you're saying, but I'm relying on the idea that Joseph will push into midfield, and that Russell and Gibbs will provide that drive out of defence you're referring to. Jordan really impressed me late last year and while the HB line isn't his natural position, he made it his own.

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Love to see Gibbs and OKeefe running off HB with Bower at CHB. JR showed that he is suited to playing in defence and I liked the way he attacked the ball and ran the lines and thought his disposal picked up. Browne is the other option for a BP. It is where he played as a junior and is his best position. I hope he gets the chance to settle there.

Like to see something like this:

B: Browne Thornton Jamison
Gibbs
HB: Russell Bower O'Keefe

Waite and Simpson also dropping back off a wing when needed as well as a ruckman.

I also wouldnt right off guys like Yarran, Houlihan, Grigg and Anderson being part of our defensive set up in 2010. Nice to have options!

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..sure, the Gibblet has a nice kick, poise and good decision making with excellant vision, i see alot of reasons for him being a mid that also acts as a sweeper to HELP the HBF's.... ..however i don't like the idea of him playing the position full time.. ..actually, if he were to be given a more perm position outside of the midfield, it'd be across the HF line for me.. ..where he played alot of his junior footy.. ..he could easily become the type of hard working HFF we need..

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You say players like Armfield worry you, and yet you have confidence in Browne's disposal.
I think Armfield proved his value to the team in 2009, and no doubt his disposal improved as the year went on.

We were making these comparisons between Armfield and Browne prior to the 2009 season. Browne was given an opportunity in 2009 and he didn't take it. He fumbled a lot and his disposal was ordinary at best. Not saying he isn't tough though, nor that he can't improve, but he still has to earn the position Army has made his own.

As for O'Keefe being selected, I think that's wishful thinking. Despite being earmarked as having his break out year in 2010, he hasn't proven anything at VFL level yet, let alone AFL.

So you put O'Keefe and Browne in, then who do you drop? Who will they overtake? Why?

Personally, I don't think Anderson is going to make it as the list develops. Imo he has to overtake Robinson, Armfield, Hoilihan, Russell, Grigg and Yarran if he's going to make it. Hopefully injury isn't the reason he overtakes those mentioned and if he does displace one of the abovementioned I hope he does it because of talent and form. I'm glad he's on the list and am comfortable when he plays a defensive role, but when we look at disposal issues, he's another one with that problem in 2008-9.

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The bonus of where we sit at the moment is that as of November 2 they all strat on the same footing. As for Browne I still go back to watching him at U18 level where he player BP and HBF and his kicking and decision making were exceptional. I watched a lot of him at the Bullants this year and they played him on a wing. Speaking with Darren Harris this was to get more miles in his legs. The plan was for him to get some consistent game time into his body and then hopefully have a big pre season. The MC have a high opinion of him. They have similar opinion of Anderson who can easily fill a third tall defender role or an attacking HBF. His year for the Bullants was very good and got better and seems to have gotten over the hamstring injuries that plagued his first few seasons and affected his kicking.

Players like Grigg, Russell, Yarran, Houlihan and Robinson are also well in the mix. This is not a knock on Armfield who has been fantastic but I do question his disposal. Most of them now will get that vital '3rd pre season' under them.

OKeefe for me is exciting as he is big, runs the lines and his left foot is awesome. It is the reason we recruited Johnson. To have an attacking weapon like that would be a massive bonus to us and why I have high hopes for him. Yes he hasnt played but if he can watch out!

I have no issue with any of them getting a game and what should be good for us is that we have a number of players pushing for spots. This should surely lift all their games.

We have an extremely talented list with loads of potential. If we can keep them fit and developing there is so much to look forward to. Personally I really dont care how we line up as long as we keep developing but it has been a long long time since we had a list as exciting as this!

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Great summation cj

Browne sounds promising. I understand why you have such high hopes for him, Anderson too.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how we pick because it will be on merit.

In 2010 we will see the start of our 4 quarter efforts...the Cordy magic peaks this year.

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And that could easily be the biggest bonus a lot of people don't realise. This will be Cordy's third pre season at the club and has been very good with our injury prevention especially in terms of soft tissue injuries.

Guys that have had problems such as Hadley, Anderson and even Judd have had their body shapes and running styles changed to better equip them for AFL football. I know Hadley had always targeted 2010 as the year he would get full trust in his body and regain his flexibility and speed.

The newer guys like Robinson, Yarran, Ellard, Garlett have had the benefit of Cordy since arriving at the club and hopefully the results will show quicker than before.

Also expect some bigger bodies in 2010!

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Teamboard updated

Changes
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- Added player(s) Peter Labi, Zach Tuohy
- Assigned rookie designations


Future Updates
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- Further 2010 Deletions & Elevations
- 2010 Draftees
- Squad numbers
- Vice-captaincy designations

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armfield jamison thornton
bower talia scotland
simpson gibbs walker
yarran waite mclean
robinson henderson betts

kreuzer judd murphy

joseph gartlett houlihan warnock/hampson.

would be over the moon if we get talia, chb for the next 10-12 years.

Another great Carlton line up.

It's easier to do in 2009 now that deadwood has been trimmed.

I don't think McLean was recruited to play HFF. He's expected to be in the guts as an extractor. Carrazzo is probably a better defensive HF than McLean; maybe not. That's how I see it.

I also doubt that Talia would be playing key defensive post righ away, but the again Hurley did.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if Talia turned out to be a ready made CHB. Austin may be ahead of him in 2010 with a couple preseasons head start.

I am a fan of Kreuzer Warnock and Hamson alternating between ruck, FP & Interchange. They are not lumbering backmen. They are mobile, athletic and competitive 200cm+ footballers who can hold a ruck position (Warnock may dominate the ruck position if the preseason works wonders on his strength).

Depth and talent.

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It's getting harder and harder to do which is a relief...

I've put Hendo in there ahead of some others as I think he will be good value, I also think it's paramount to our success that we pump as many games into him more so than others I have placed him ahead of........@#$%&! I can't wait for season 2010!!!!!


Backs : Scotland Jamison Thornton

Half Backs: Bower Austin Gibbs

Centre : Walker Mclean Simpson

Half FWD : Betts Waite Russell

Forwards : Yarran Henderson O'hailpin

Rucks : Kruezer Judd Murphy

Interchange: Joseph Hampson Carrazzo Robinson

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Yet another great CFC team.

What about 3 Emergencies? That way you may be able to sneak in Armfield who took a giant leap forward last year, Warnock who should be knocking on the door (if not more), and the best player in the final against Lions, Houlihan.

Scotland has to stand up this year or he will be passed by many players (emegencies) and those who need more games into them and can stand up at AFL level...Grigg, Anderson, Browne, Garlett.

Who do you rotate with McLean in the guts as an in and under?

I know it's hard to fit them all in.

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I believe Scotland will stand up this year so long as he has a better pre-season than his last one.....
It's hard to split the emergencies.... Warnock, Armfield, Grigg, Hadley, Garlett, Houlihan, Browne, Anderson, Cloke are the guys in contention IMO.\

Out of those Warnock you would think will be a definate, followed by maybe Armfield, Grigg I would play ahead of Houlihan (Hoops doesn't have the desire anymore IMHO)

So I guesss I agree with the first two emergencies, but differ with Houlihan.

Who do we rotate with McLean?? Good question. Maybe Carrazzo or Joseph...Gibbs on occasion. It would be nice to be able to have Hadley in there as well, but I don't think you can have Mclean and Hadley in the same team...

Who would you rotate with Mclean Bondi??

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I expect Scotland to put in some hard yards this preseason because his career is coming to a natural end.

I'm surprised and fine it strange that you think Houlihan has lost his desire given that you're only as good as your last game, and you can only judge him on that as far as his desire is concerned...and he was ahead of almost 21 players in the last game......and miles ahead of Scotland. He was equal 10th or so in the B & F too.....Houla that is. I'm a fan of both, but I feel I have to stick up for the much unfairly maligned Houla, who imo is a class act. Houla will be in our 22 this year imo.

I am interested to see how Hadley goes. 2010 was always going to be his year. Cordy and co have been do alot of work on Hadley over the last 2 years to get his body right for 2010. I'm not sure if McLean will be ahead of Hadley in 2010, but that remains to be seen.

I like the idea of Joseph and/or Carrazzo rotating with McLean, but I have Hadley rotating with McLean.

Based on 2010, I feel that Russell has cemented himself on the HBF.

Warnock, Armfield, Grigg, Hadley, Garlett, Houlihan, Browne, Anderson, Cloke....mmm I don't rate Grigg, Browne, Anderson or Cloke and Garlett needs to get abit stronger. The challenge is ahead of those guys and there is room for improvement. Based on 2009, Houla is miles ahead of all of them.

Yarran and Robinson have to earn their spots in the 22. Armfirls and Houla haven't lost their spots yet. They are the incumbents. There's along time before the first bounce and anything can happen.

Reagardless, I think everyone's teams look good...sign of the times.

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