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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:57 pm 
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Not sure if this is more hope than considered opinion but I think Hammer could be a surprisingly good forward if played there on a more permanent basis (not full time, but long stints). I just think that maybe with his leap and athletic attributes, and continued development (especially his marks! :eek: ) he could be a dangerous forward. He has shown he can kick the ball far and there has always been hope that he could play forward as well. Could Shaun form a significant part of a forward set-up?

It probably all depends on how he continues to develop over this pre-season. He is a monster size and would pose a difficult match-up, similar to Krueze, but I think Hammer has more of the freak athleticsm that could deliver more X-factor

Maybe :?:


I've been thinking this for some time.
Hammer has definitely shown some glimpses.
If he can start holding his marks he would be an absolute nightmare to match up against.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:14 pm 
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Setanta's hands in a marking contest improved so much last season...however...on the oppositions top defender is a different story...

definitely a target up there...is he capable of kicking 40 goals?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:47 pm 
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Kreuzer ....... Waite ........ Walker
Betts ....... Henderson ..... Yarran/Garlett/Robinson

I would use Waite at CHF (knee permitting). He is a big body and a great mark. Very athletic, applies defensive pressure and knows how to kick goals.

Henderson will develop into our CHF, but would like to play him at FF for a year so he can physically develop more before he is unleashed at CHF

Kreuzer would be a great 3rd tall IMO. Great contested mark, speed, 1%ers. Would add ALOT to out forward line IMO

Walker adds some x factor. Extremely athletic, will run and chase all day. Can kick a goal.

Betts is a great crumber and applies ALOT of forward line defensive pressure

Yarran/Garlett/Robinson would all play a similar role IMO, with Garlett being a mixture of Yarran and Robinson. Yarran would offer us a class crumber but a little less defensive presence, Robinson would offer defensive pressure and attack on the ball but not alot of polish, while Garlett offers a little less polish than Yarran and a little less pressure than Robinson, but a great mixture of the 2.

I think that line up would be VERY exciting IMO.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:05 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
Not sure if this is more hope than considered opinion but I think Hammer could be a surprisingly good forward if played there on a more permanent basis (not full time, but long stints). I just think that maybe with his leap and athletic attributes, and continued development (especially his marks! :eek: ) he could be a dangerous forward. He has shown he can kick the ball far and there has always been hope that he could play forward as well. Could Shaun form a significant part of a forward set-up?

It probably all depends on how he continues to develop over this pre-season. He is a monster size and would pose a difficult match-up, similar to Krueze, but I think Hammer has more of the freak athleticsm that could deliver more X-factor

Maybe :?:


I've been thinking this for some time.
Hammer has definitely shown some glimpses.
If he can start holding his marks he would be an absolute nightmare to match up against.


The only other :?: is whether he could play as a leading forward. Physically he can - size & speed
Does he have the hands to hit the leading ball and make it stick? Not sure I have the confidence that he can. Then Again I never thought Setanta could pluck some of the pack marks he did through the year! :thumbsup:
Can he make the repeated efforts he needs to as a full forward? Being quick is one thing but having the ability to continually turn, change direction, double-back, etc takes more than just athleticism. I think this side of things he could be OK. I hope Ratts gives both Hammer and Krueze a good go in these posts and hopefully Henderson is ready to take another step after 2 years in the system.

I am still in disbelief a tad that Fev is no longer with us but we now have a blank canvas for the forward line (sort of) and I think we have some promising candidates, albeit it will take a few things falling into place to make it all come together effectively in 2010

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:41 pm 
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I'm getting a wee bit excited about a Waite/Henderson CHB/CHB tag-team just quietly...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:33 pm 
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Although i am loving the versatility of our side and alot of people seem to be as well (eg Kreuzer, Hampson, Waite) i dont think its necessarily healthy for us to keep swapping and changing.

If next year in games we were to have Kreuzer up forward 1st quarter, change to Hampson, then Waite etc...could that muck up our structure and confuse our midfielders?? It would be good to have a settled FF who is permanent.

You always hear about how a team plays way better when it is settled with few if any changes week to week, this is because they learn and get used to playing with each other and know each others game and the role they play.

So yes although i love the flexibility the versatility of some of our players give us, i would still prefer some to be just elite at one position and continue to play there week in week out, instead of being pretty good in playing 2 positions (eg Defence and Forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:01 pm 
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I'm no expert on these things, but that doesn't stop others, so I'll dip my oar in!

I'd like to think that Austin will feature at CHF on occasions next season. I think his injury at the end of the season robbed us a bit, and that he shows the ability to be a target for us. Has had one more year in the system than Henderson, and is worth a shot to see if it works.

As for Full Forward... well, if his leg is right I think Setanta deserves an opportunity. I think he came along in leaps and bounds this year until his injury, and showed that he can take a contested mark. At the very least he should make a defender accountable, and that's half the battle in the AFL these days.

Other than that, I think Robbo should be given a run on the Half Forward Flank.

I'm not going to list my preferred front 6 for fear of severely embarrassing myself! (I don't claim to be much of a tactician). But the players I would rotate through the forward line are: Setanta, Henderson, Kreuzer, Austin, Robinson, Betts, Garlett, Walker, and Yarran and if our output from them isn't great then I'd shuffle Thornton and Waite forward at various stages to see how they go. I actually like the fact the coaching team willo have to be flexible about it all.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:12 pm 
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Molly wrote:
I'm no expert on these things, but that doesn't stop others, so I'll dip my oar in!

I'd like to think that Austin will feature at CHF on occasions next season. I think his injury at the end of the season robbed us a bit, and that he shows the ability to be a target for us. Has had one more year in the system than Henderson, and is worth a shot to see if it works.

As for Full Forward... well, if his leg is right I think Setanta deserves an opportunity. I think he came along in leaps and bounds this year until his injury, and showed that he can take a contested mark. At the very least he should make a defender accountable, and that's half the battle in the AFL these days.

Other than that, I think Robbo should be given a run on the Half Forward Flank.

I'm not going to list my preferred front 6 for fear of severely embarrassing myself! (I don't claim to be much of a tactician). But the players I would rotate through the forward line are: Setanta, Henderson, Kreuzer, Austin, Robinson, Betts, Garlett, Walker, and Yarran and if our output from them isn't great then I'd shuffle Thornton and Waite forward at various stages to see how they go. I actually like the fact the coaching team willo have to be flexible about it all.


I can't wait either Molly.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:17 pm 
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Molly wrote:
I'm no expert on these things, but that doesn't stop others, so I'll dip my oar in!

I'd like to think that Austin will feature at CHF on occasions next season. I think his injury at the end of the season robbed us a bit, and that he shows the ability to be a target for us. Has had one more year in the system than Henderson, and is worth a shot to see if it works.


I agree about Austin Molly but I believe he will make a quality full forward. He has the frame to really stack on some muscle and he could make it as a power forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:57 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Molly wrote:
I'm no expert on these things, but that doesn't stop others, so I'll dip my oar in!

I'd like to think that Austin will feature at CHF on occasions next season. I think his injury at the end of the season robbed us a bit, and that he shows the ability to be a target for us. Has had one more year in the system than Henderson, and is worth a shot to see if it works.


I agree about Austin Molly but I believe he will make a quality full forward. He has the frame to really stack on some muscle and he could make it as a power forward.


Interesting Blue Vain,

I hadn't considered Austin as a full forward at all. Food for thought with that one.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:15 pm 
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I wouldn't mind giving Tex a go at FF.

He would bring a Jezza-esque approach to the role and it would mean SoV could play back as required

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:45 pm 
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Same as every other year, we'll kick it to Fev even though he has 2 or 3 defenders on him


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:17 am 
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Same as every other year, we'll kick it to Fev even though he has 2 or 3 defenders on him


Yes, but this time we will win the contest as the defenders will be in that old dark navy blue.. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:25 pm 
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HF: Carazzo Kreuzer Gibbs/Murphy
FF: Betts Waite Yarran/Garlett

Five man forward line.

Waite, and Kreuzer to rotate between FF & CHF throughout the match.

I'm not sure Yarran or Garlett have the tank to run out a whole season, so they can spit the matches between themselves.

Betts can just do what he does best. Although I would like to see him spend more time in the midfield this season.

Carrots to play the defensive forward role, locking down the oppositions' best rebounder.

Gibbs, and Murphy to alternate who starts in the centre square, with the other starting on the HFF, and pushing up into the midfield.

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HF - Walker - Setanta - Yarran
FF - Betts - Cloke - Henderson

Waite to stay back with only cameo's up forward. Kreuzer and Hampson to also rest forward from the ruck. Murph, Judd, Gibbs also to rest forward at times.

The more I think about our forward set up the more excited I get, the possibilities and potential is endless, we just have to find what works.
Something that IMO is vitally important is that we have a very switched on Forwards coach.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:45 am 
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Molly wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Molly wrote:
I'm no expert on these things, but that doesn't stop others, so I'll dip my oar in!

I'd like to think that Austin will feature at CHF on occasions next season. I think his injury at the end of the season robbed us a bit, and that he shows the ability to be a target for us. Has had one more year in the system than Henderson, and is worth a shot to see if it works.


I agree about Austin Molly but I believe he will make a quality full forward. He has the frame to really stack on some muscle and he could make it as a power forward.


Interesting Blue Vain,

I hadn't considered Austin as a full forward at all. Food for thought with that one.



Saw Aussie moved forward a couple of times for the Bullants this year and looked the goods. Played very much a Brown type role as the tall tall target inside 50. Didnt lead much but took some very good contested pack marks and is a very good kick for goal. I hope he is developed as a forward. I expect him to step up in 2010!

Maybe a very young set up for the NAB Cup?

HF: Yarran Henderson Walker
F: Garlett Austin Kruezer

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:51 am 
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/ca ... 76572.html

May have a chance to get Bradshaw still??


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:19 am 
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It's odd. A week ago I would have been very excited at that (Bradshaw) prospect but now in two minds.

Positive is that he is great player and would be a great target at FF for next 2 years (body permitting).

Negative is that it delays the development/establishment of our long term forward line.

Do club consider we are a chance for flag within 2 years? Wouldn't that be sweet .... beat Brions in 2011 GF with Bradshaw FF and Henderson at CHF. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:23 am 
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Bradshaw would be a fantastic player for us. We cannot rely on Henderson who is still young, Waite who is coming back from injury, Kreuzer who we think can kick a lot of goals. At least Bradshaw has the runs on the board and is another strong option for us whilst the other players are getting settled.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:50 pm 
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Bradshaw would be a fantastic player for us. We cannot rely on Henderson who is still young, Waite who is coming back from injury, Kreuzer who we think can kick a lot of goals. At least Bradshaw has the runs on the board and is another strong option for us whilst the other players are getting settled.



Agree..the idea that Henderson is just going to walk in and even kick half the amount of goals that Fev did is way to much expectation on the young lad......he is still very much a developing player and we need Bradshaw to fill in for a couple of years so Henderson, Pick 12 and others can develop....
Even with a banged up body he can still kick 60-70 a year as he has shown over the last couple of years.....be a very handy player in terms of output and what he can teach some of the younger forwards as well.... A young player like Caleb Tiller would learn plenty from Bradshaw IMO and fast track his development....
I thinks its essential we try everything to get Bradshaw to the club.....

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