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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:33 pm 
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Wasnt the coaches fault last night. Some might find peace in blaming him but the truth is the Lions were just better on the night.

They made the most of their momentum and we didnt when we had it.



Ah but it is also the coaches job to have players switched on....

.. or not???


I mean what is Ratts' job exactly?
He is not responsible for tactics..... zones... motivation... team selection ....

.... he just sits in a box...????

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:41 pm 
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So you're saying...Ratts is in the box seat?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:42 pm 
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Ratten's job is to win every game. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:56 pm 
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I've been pretty quiet for the most part myself. Mainly because the rage has yet to subside and most of the things floating around my head right now are consistent with much of the negative stuff being written right now :oops:


No Don, you're not being negative, we have every right to ask some hard questions of Carlton. There are some on this site who think that we will magically improve next year. Don't hold your breath. We have personnel deficiencies YES, but we have the most tactically naive coaching dept in the AFL
R1 Richmond - good win TICK
R2 Brisbane - Great 1st half, thank god we had a huge buffer cause they came storming back, ordinary second half
R3 Essendon* - Dumb coaching + poor selections
R4 Sydney - very ordinary effort
R5 WB - good 4 quarterish effort TICK
R6 Haw - good effort to lose + Bentley? in the end, the Hawks weren't much chop this year so maybe it wasn't the great honorable loss we thought
R7 Freo - insipid
R8 Coll (VFL) - win. see parentheses to the left
R9 Adel - Fev to the wing. Carlton on a wing and a prayer. coach admitted fault
R10 WC - beat a side that were tanking for two thirds of the year until they won a game and couldn't get the priority pick
R11 BL - good win, although half their defence was out. Bradshaw on Fev doesn't hurt our cause
R12 StK - probably best effort for the year TICK
R13 Ess - another loss (thrashing) to this mob
R14 Freo - Just over the line thanks to Carlos (look at what Adel did to Freo the following week)
R15 Rich - ugly win. could have got uglier if Riewoldt and Morton kicked straight
R16 Syd - good second half, stupid defensive first half TICK
R17 Coll - We play a well drilled side that's not riddled by injury and that aren't tanking. What do you expect???
R18 Nth - Ugly win shocking game, poor skills
R19 Cats - Good win. Cats were there for the taking that night. We took our chances. TICK
R20 PA - Good win against this year's basket case. Luckily bad Port came out to play that night
R21 Melb - Easy to win when the other side doesn't want to win
R22 Adel - See R17

We made the 8 this year on the back of some ordinary wins in the second half. Yes a win is a win and winning ugly is still winning. But what happens then is you start believing you're better than you are. CARLTON REGULARLY UNRAVELS AGAINST WELL DRILLED SIDES. 12-14 wins again in 2010

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:01 pm 
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Excuses, excuses.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Wasnt the coaches fault last night. Some might find peace in blaming him but the truth is the Lions were just better on the night.

They made the most of their momentum and we didnt when we had it.



Ah but it is also the coaches job to have players switched on....

.. or not???


I mean what is Ratts' job exactly?
He is not responsible for tactics..... zones... motivation... team selection ....

.... he just sits in a box...????


Now you are the one using excuses Synbad. You remind me of the old blokes down at my soccer club always blaming the coach.

Coach can't control everything. If Ratts put players behind the ball you would have been first to complain and talk about attack being the best form of defence. I think he used the right tactics. Cloke, Hampson, Betts, SImpson, and Big K all had chances to sort it out but all failed unfortunately.

They were just too good. Brown taking strong marks and converting, Hooper breaking loose from armfield, black dominating the clearences, Rich's left foot goal from way out and Bradshaws snap were all things we couldnt do when required.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:19 pm 
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chief wrote:
What did Ratten do when Brisbane were coming? How did he respond?


A good, simple question which unfortunately wont be seriously answered on this site...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:21 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Wasnt the coaches fault last night. Some might find peace in blaming him but the truth is the Lions were just better on the night.

They made the most of their momentum and we didnt when we had it.



Ah but it is also the coaches job to have players switched on....

.. or not???


I mean what is Ratts' job exactly?
He is not responsible for tactics..... zones... motivation... team selection ....

.... he just sits in a box...????


Now you are the one using excuses Synbad. You remind me of the old blokes down at my soccer club always blaming the coach.

Coach can't control everything. If Ratts put players behind the ball you would have been first to complain and talk about attack being the best form of defence. I think he used the right tactics. Cloke, Hampson, Betts, SImpson, and Big K all had chances to sort it out but all failed unfortunately.

They were just too good. Brown taking strong marks and converting, Hooper breaking loose from armfield, black dominating the clearences, Rich's left foot goal from way out and Bradshaws snap were all things we couldnt do when required.


i am the old bloke at the soccer coach blaming the coach...

Get rid of Merrick too!!!

Brown took those marks because Black killed us.... but i knew Black would kill us so Brown would get those goals....

Grigg the inside tagger.... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:26 pm 
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budzy wrote:
chief wrote:
What did Ratten do when Brisbane were coming? How did he respond?


A good, simple question which unfortunately wont be seriously answered on this site...


your answer?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:33 pm 
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Check back on past posts by BV who has a good grasp on what is involved with top level AFL coaching. Have a read, think for a bit and then relax.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:38 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
budzy wrote:
chief wrote:
What did Ratten do when Brisbane were coming? How did he respond?


A good, simple question which unfortunately wont be seriously answered on this site...


your answer?


Easy in hindsight but I think problems were created at selection.

For starters, Warnock should've played rather than Cloke allowing Kreuzer to float where necessary.
Tbird and Bower no match one out for Brown and Bradshaw...

Id've liked more grunt and run and rolled the dice with Ando. Wouldn't have dropped Yarran either...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:15 pm 
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Fevola wrote:
Our fault for carrying so much dead wood;

Wiggins,
Houlihan
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What game were YOU watching???????????? Must've been the Rugby Union. Houlihan was just about our best player. Won contested footy, delivered it beautifully, kicked a goal, saved a certain goal with a great tackle........

PARIS IN THE THE SPRING!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:18 pm 
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but the question was about in response to, not in preparation for.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:38 pm 
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Ifs, buts and maybes, I know, but if Jamison and Waite play, we win. Simple as that. They didn't and we didn't as a result.

The Lions still win on the back of their experienced core of premiership (important, this point) players. And not just any sort, 3 time premiership players. If Black doesn't play the Lions don't win. If Bradshaw didn't play the Lions don't win.

We've got far more upset and reason for confidence than they do.

Congratulations to them, they progress to the next week at our expense. But I, like our boys, will be waiting to have another crack at them next year, that's for certain.

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dannyboy wrote:
but the question was about in response to, not in preparation for.


the preparation for affected the lack of response ...IMO ... obviously...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:51 pm 
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Sulked for an hour after the game then thought "it was better than finishing 11th". We were never going to win this year so I wont complain too much. All of that said it hurt like hell


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:03 pm 
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budzy wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
but the question was about in response to, not in preparation for.


the preparation for affected the lack of response ...IMO ... obviously...



so its not about what Ratts didn't do when the game turned - which seemed to be the original 'damning' indictment/question

rather than his plans only accounted for a 30 point advantage for about 3 quarters. hmmm Ratts can't count not can't coach.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:16 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
budzy wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
but the question was about in response to, not in preparation for.


the preparation for affected the lack of response ...IMO ... obviously...



so its not about what Ratts didn't do when the game turned - which seemed to be the original 'damning' indictment/question

rather than his plans only accounted for a 30 point advantage for about 3 quarters. hmmm Ratts can't count not can't coach.


An answer doesn't have to be straight forward, db...

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so then others do answer (even if you think they don't) just not straight forward answers, eh?

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When you finish 7th or 8th and don't earn a home final you do not deserve to go through to the next week of the finals. We were and are not good enough on a number of levels to go further than where we did...most notably off field....on field we have a team (even with those out) to have at least got to a prelim this year. We didn't...fine but we need to rectify the issues off field that prevented us from reaching a higher realistic potential this year.

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