Cons: Short term pain

Pros: Long term gain

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Your off on the wrong tangent again Synbad
Jamison and Waite provide the foil for the big forwards who are vital in finals games
Bradshaw kicked the last 2 goals. Jamison on bradshaw would have limited that. The Brisbane knock on style is built around guts and determination. The bradshw goals were high in, hence the big back required. To say that only the midfiled is the key is tripe quite frankly

And yes
the MC and the coach and the players are definately on the right track

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Pros

The look of anguish/heartbreak on the players faces - Fev and Co looked close to tears - Expect this to galvanise the team over summer for future years - Yes finals are expected and so is success but you will never ever get anywhere if its easy - they now know its not easy.

Gibbs is showing signs that his core strength is getting Judd like - barring injury he will be unstoppable in the future.

Cons

Our medical staff - AJ isnt a sook and he clearly has done damage to his ankle - how much more has he done

So waite and jamo would have held brown and bradshaw right?

just like all the other games?

dreaming,,,,

the gane was lost in the middle,.

black kills us our lack of discipline kills us... our lack of run kills us.. and our lack of structure and nouse kills us...

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" How would we have won with Waite and Jamo in the side " >>> That comment is seriously a joke isn't it?

MASSIVE PRO

Jordan Russell.

I really hope his performanne last night ends once and for all the knocks on him. Hes taken a while to get there, but he's arrived as a genuine league player.

He along with Judd was probably our most composed player last night.

Well done Jordan.

Not sure if it was just me, but Kreuzer looked really tired.

It's been a tough season for him, to assume the mantle of no. 1 ruck in the absence of Warnock and the development of Hampson and the idiosyncracies of Cloke (for want of a better word).

With Warnock fit, Hampson continuing to develop, I would really like Kreuzer used as a KP forward - we will destroy him and his body if he keeps playing in the ruck from this early on. We had no choice this year but with a fit list, Kreuzer must be used up forward more often.

One of our bravest and most consistent players this year just looked like he'd conked out.

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Thank Christ its Ratts in the box and not you or one of your cronies, Synbad. Add Waite and Jamo to our backline and we're a LOT stronger across half back and in the square with Krooz not having to drop so deep.

Our best structure is with Jamo/Bower doubling the deepest option and Thornton/Waite doing the same to the highest. Bower played out of his skin last night. He was hobbled early in the last, but gutted it out.

I hope you don't get a ticket to #17.

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He was one of our best last night.

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MASSIVE PRO

Jordan Russell.

I really hope his performanne last night ends once and for all the knocks on him. Hes taken a while to get there, but he's arrived as a genuine league player.

He along with Judd was probably our most composed player last night.

Well done Jordan.
unquote

Agree 100 %

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Pros:

- Finals for the first time in a long time
- Garlett... looks like he knows where to run to get to the drop of the ball... first rover since Naley at Carlton I reckon.
- New slogan for next year: "Now they know we're really coming... promise"

Cons:

- Terry Wallace vindicated... if the midfielders had run hard back the other way in the 4th quarter, at least half the Bears goals would have been stopped.
- Clangers... Simpson centering the ball to J Brown , Armfield every kick (and against Adelaide the week before), Walker almost every kick, Judd/Cloke very kickable goals


I just hope the boys have a sombre Mad Monday and get back to business as soon as possible.

- Twinone

Pros
Walker got through the season unscathed and did a good job on rich for 3 1/2 qrts
Russell
Judd
Fev

Cons
Looked tired
Too many dumb mistakes
Judd's "incident"
Armfield
Simpson's stupid turnover which turned the game.

Pro:
terrific season by the blues - an improvement in many respects and on many indicators.

debate about what we need to do to improve is a good thing and i enjoy most of the posts - whether i agree or not.

however, lets not take ourselves too seriously folks..................... unless of course we have demonstrated the capacity to successfully contribute directly to those formally managing the clubs on and off field fortunes.

....or perhaps i have a got it wrong and those most critical of where we're at are really only taking the piss

Me too.

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They were missing Adcock, Drummond, Leuenberger & Charman.

We were missing Waite, Jamison, Warnock & Hadley.

Comparatively, we were missing more key players, and I would argue a couple of those players are of greater quality than their names.

No spin doctoring, just a very simple comparison.

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Pro's:

It should sting for a long time and be forefront in the minds of the boys over summer.

Con's:

Lions had 17 more tackles.
Gibbs, Garlett and Grigg went missing.
Let opponent constantly move ball through coridor.
1 Qtr of bad footy obliterates 3 Qtrs of good footy.
Delivery to our only legitimate forward was deplorable.

How good was Garlett's goal in the first on the run?

I haven't seen a Carlton player take a ball on a wing and kick a long goal running flat chat since Bradley, Kouta and Campo were running around.

Lightning pace.

Garlett has the versality to play up the ground and rotate with Yarran in the next ten years.

Just needs five years in the gym like Walls noted.

Sack Wayne Hughes.

Just because he was one of our best doesn't mean that he didn't look tired.

Shows you good he is, busting his gut even when tired.

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How would we have won with Waite and Jamo in the side... the game changed through the middle in the last... We went short and we got overun....thats where we lost the game...!!!

And no wwere not on the right track.. UNLESS we know how to play the game...were jusst on a track...[/quote]


" How would we have won with Waite and Jamo in the side " >>> That comment is seriously a joke isn't it?[/quote]


Ummmmmm Browns kicked bags on Waite bigger than last nights....

I think you guys are kidding yourselves......

Black kills us.... so Brown /Bradshaw do well against us....

They kill us even with Waite and Jameson in the side......

You win anyway... if you control the game in the middle and apply the pressure .. if youre waiting on winning from the last line... good luck!!!

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Youre kidding right????
Drummon Adcock are play makers for them
Their ruckmen means they can play with Clarke up forward and or Bradshaw down back... or Brennan KP... or half forward.

Warnock has played 20 games of footy.


Waite has been destroyed by Brown before.. on more than one occasion...

They had players out.. so did we....

They won.... because we didnt contain and dominate their engine room when it counted....and control between the arcs..

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