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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:48 am 
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Well, if he's talking about 1 particular game (which I don't believe he was) then he is corrcet.


No, Terry called in to SEN this morning, and said that its something Carlton has done all year.

He said, we are fantastic when the game swings our way, but we don't know how to lock a game down when it swings the other way.

I hate the guy as much as the next, but he is 110% correct on this one.

The only game this year I think we applied enough pressure defensively when needed was the Saints game, and that is exactly how we have to play for the remainder of the year.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:03 am 
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He said, we are fantastic when the game swings our way, but we don't know how to lock a game down when it swings the other way.


I am not quite sure whether it was as simple as this but after we had that 4 goal lead in the first quarter Neil Craig had a nine man back line, Russell for example followed Porpelzia down. In the process they congested our forward line and opened there forward line up. From that point on they kicked 26 goals and we kicked 9.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:05 am 
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Unfortunately Wallace is right, in that we haven't mastered the art of the lock-down.

Which should come as no surprise, given that he's spent the majority of his coaching career moulding his very own teams of downhill skiers.

Although it is interesting that up until about Round 15, we had just about the lowest losing margin of any team in the comp (St Kilda excepted, given they hadn't lost). It's only in the latter part of the season that we've dropped our bundle and let teams run over us in losses.

Still think it's interesting that the top four teams, and the teams that are pretty good at the tactics Wallace is espousing, are pretty much the four oldest teams though.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:10 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:20 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Well, if he's talking about 1 particular game (which I don't believe he was) then he is corrcet.


No, Terry called in to SEN this morning, and said that its something Carlton has done all year.

He said, we are fantastic when the game swings our way, but we don't know how to lock a game down when it swings the other way.


I know, chucky, I referred to that earlier, but some on here think he was only talking 'bout that one game.

..and yes, JohnM is correct, the older, harder bodies are alot better at putting on pressure the other way becasue their endurance levels are so much higher.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:23 am 
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JohnM wrote:
Unfortunately Wallace is right, in that we haven't mastered the art of the lock-down.

Which should come as no surprise, given that he's spent the majority of his coaching career moulding his very own teams of downhill skiers.

Although it is interesting that up until about Round 15, we had just about the lowest losing margin of any team in the comp (St Kilda excepted, given they hadn't lost). It's only in the latter part of the season that we've dropped our bundle and let teams run over us in losses.

Still think it's interesting that the top four teams, and the teams that are pretty good at the tactics Wallace is espousing, are pretty much the four oldest teams though.


Spot on. This is an area that will be addressed over the off season. This finals campaign will be such an important reference point for the club.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:38 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Well, if he's talking about 1 particular game (which I don't believe he was) then he is corrcet.


No, Terry called in to SEN this morning, and said that its something Carlton has done all year.

He said, we are fantastic when the game swings our way, but we don't know how to lock a game down when it swings the other way.

I hate the guy as much as the next, but he is 110% correct on this one.

The only game this year I think we applied enough pressure defensively when needed was the Saints game, and that is exactly how we have to play for the remainder of the year.


Completely agree. Wallace may be a spud, but he's absolutely nailed this one. :sad:
Let's hope it gets the boys fired up and ready to kill. :fight:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:41 am 
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There is nobody in AFL history better credentialed to comment on downhill skiers than Teflon, having coached nothing but downhill skiers since 2000.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:05 pm 
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For me I started to watch our mids in the third term when it was clear the match was pretty much gone and I too was shocked with what I saw. Players jogging up the field with their backs to the play whilst Adelaide players sprinted past them to provide an option. The main offenders for me were Judd, Murphy and Chris Johnson. I thought Scotland got back inside defensive 50 a few times and I didn't really watch Stevens. Not good enough and a major reason as to why we have leaked goals quickly against the well coached sides this year ie. Bummers, Pies and Adelaide.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:08 pm 
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It irks me to say this but he is right. I think its criticism that is warranted.
Teflon is in the media now. He can say what he likes.


The only thing that shits me is its coming from a guy who in 4.5 years coached the softest team in the league and when playing for Hawthorn used to put teammates offside by reciting how many posessions he got on the Saturday whilst training on the Tuesday night.

Bit like Kyle Sandilands hosting Media Watch


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:13 pm 
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I think we'll see a different football team show up on Saturday night. Not because of what high-talk Terry says, but because this game is what we're here for.

If we go up north with the same game, I'll be just as pissed as anybody.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:40 pm 
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Thought Chris Johnson was very poor on Saturday - I think he might be losing some of the un-shakeable faith thatvratts and bomber placed in him earlier


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:05 pm 
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bluechucky wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Well, if he's talking about 1 particular game (which I don't believe he was) then he is corrcet.


No, Terry called in to SEN this morning, and said that its something Carlton has done all year.

He said, we are fantastic when the game swings our way, but we don't know how to lock a game down when it swings the other way.

I hate the guy as much as the next, but he is 110% correct on this one.

The only game this year I think we applied enough pressure defensively when needed was the Saints game, and that is exactly how we have to play for the remainder of the year.


He's definitely yanking his crank then.

We've fought back in matches, from the Hawthorn one, Saints, the Freo win, among others.

He's talking simply to hear the sound of his own futile voice.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:07 pm 
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Exactly, KK!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:18 pm 
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Yes Dukesta and Kapn!

Agreed.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:23 pm 
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Wallace has a valid point.



He was still a useless coach though.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:28 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
bluechucky wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Well, if he's talking about 1 particular game (which I don't believe he was) then he is corrcet.


No, Terry called in to SEN this morning, and said that its something Carlton has done all year.

He said, we are fantastic when the game swings our way, but we don't know how to lock a game down when it swings the other way.

I hate the guy as much as the next, but he is 110% correct on this one.

The only game this year I think we applied enough pressure defensively when needed was the Saints game, and that is exactly how we have to play for the remainder of the year.


He's definitely yanking his crank then.

We've fought back in matches, from the Hawthorn one, Saints, the Freo win, among others.

He's talking simply to hear the sound of his own futile voice.


Actually, I think that proves his point.... we ARE excellent when things go our way, which is what he said.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:30 pm 
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Being 4 goals down is hardly "things going our way", IMO.

I guess it's a matter of perspective.

Besides, we could definitively prove that Wallet was wrong, and he'd still argue he was right. He's that kind of guy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:32 pm 
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Has point. Just wish it was said by someone our players would take serious and set out to prove him wrong.

Having said that i agree with Ratts when he says our problems start before it gets to the point of our players not pushing back.
Once we start getting smashed at the contests we always look to be chasing 5 ft behind the other team.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:52 pm 
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Although it is interesting that up until about Round 15, we had just about the lowest losing margin of any team in the comp (St Kilda excepted, given they hadn't lost). It's only in the latter part of the season that we've dropped our bundle and let teams run over us in losses.



Well, we had a backline back then didn't we? With Thornton, Bower, Jammo and Waite as the core of our backline and then have Austin as a handy replacement if one goes down .... then we've been basically crippled since Jammo's departure in Rnd 15.

R15 to R22 (8 games)
Waite (0 games)
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