i don't think Josh Kaplan is questioning Yarran's culture and need to go home for family matters...

he's questioning what Yarran is doing when he's at Carlton...us he getting the best out of himself...is ther emore he could be doing to make himself a better footballer?

Football, whether you like it or not ,is a business, the business of winning premerships....and young men who enter the National Draft need to understand that clubs will invest heavily in them, firstly, selecting them, then giving them the resources to develop into elite footballers (in business it's product development)...
The Draftees, get paid for there time....and football clubs have every right to ensure that they committ and give the club the best they've got in return....

that's my understanding of what Josh said in his posts...

You know what the sad thing is Jimbob.. I feel significant amounts of trepidation in speaking honestly about the worth of using a very early pick in a very strong draft on Yarran, primarily because I'm scared of what it might do to my personal reputation. There are highly sensitive issues that I am very aware of wont be discussed about Yaz because I am "not as well read on indigenous culture" as Clem or yourself. I find that incredibly disappointing. I also find the poisonous inferences in your and Clem's post that border on calling me a 'racist' both tiredly predictable and symptomatic of many who want to stifle debate on issues of this type.

If thats the type of restraint on speech that you want, than congratulations. I personally think picking Yaz has significant implications for the long term success of this footy club, and all the issues that come with that need to be debated transparently. That is, after all, what this forum is for.

For those wishing to discuss Yarran's application or lack thereof, please start a thread on it and move that discussion there.

Leave this thread for any condolences that posters may want to offer Chris.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

The measure on how good Yarran will be for us will be attributed to what the club does with him.How the club deals with Yarrans set of circumstances and everybody elses as individuals....



So far they have been very supportive.
What we stand to gain from Yarran is immeasurable.
What we need to do with Yarran is understand who he is....
Not everybody is a square peg that fits in a square hole......

And condolences to Chris and family for their loss.

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Like the 'girl with the curl'.......when you are good you are very, very good.......when you are a bad-man you are..............not so good

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Mr Cazz... thats the stick and the carrot youre using...

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..Synners, as long as you can see both stick, and carrot at the same time.. ..you're doin' ok.. ..hehe..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

..doesn't have much to do with neon leon, happily will admit that.. ..just replying to posts [some recent, others goin' back a while now] which use Leon as some kind of example as to how good he's playing now.. ..and i'm saying that ANY non-kpp top ten pick that takes as long as leon took to play good footy, has taken too long for a top ten non-kpp pick.. ..more-so for a team with a list like ours is currently..

..as for the rick/yaz 'bag of trick' debate.... ..i think sayin' all rich has is a long left kick, is sellin' him short.. ..he's more two-sided than most left footers, and there's tonnes of footy champions that were one sided (hird springs to mind, and not a comparison just an example of a great one sided player).. ..it's like sayin' all Mitchel can do is extract the ball, where's all his tricks..?.. ..if a player is v.good in what their role is, they need not have a bag of tricks, and there's no use having said bag of tricks if you're not on the field delivering all these tricks we salivate over.. ..hoops has a bag of tricks, and years later we still lament his 'lack of intensity and defensive aspects'..

..as for line breaking pace, yes we need that i agree.. ..but a long penetrating accurate kick is better than running the lines in my opinion.. ..look, i agree that what's done is done, and last years draft picks aren't gonna be undone.. ..but i think we made a knee-jerk reaction last year at the draft table, and i think we need to be honest and make sure we try and remedy the problems we still have.. ..unfortunately, our midfield isn't as good as some would like to believe.. ..we're a bit above average, which is a good improvement on where we were, but we're still a-grade quality short, and have no proper in and under extrtactor.. ..or, we do, but Juddles is physically struggling already and he's not even 2 years in his role for us..

..now, i also have often stated that Yaz is bottom aged [or close to it], and the first year for him is a bit of a write-off in regards to senior footy production.. ..it's more a development year for him, and that's all well and good.. ..not his fault in that regard.. ..but he needs to get a wriggle on, cos we invested our [hopefully] last top ten pick on him, and we can't afford to wait too long to reap the dividends, the longer he takes, the better he has to be to justify his selection.. ..simple as that.. ..my beef is less with Yaz himself [aside from questions regarding game-style and intensity towards play and training, but he's young and will cut him a little slack], and more a beef with those at the draft table..

..especially choosing a kid that said he didn't wanna go inter-state.. ..it's not like the old days where melbourne was sooo much better a city and only top level footy was played here.. ..a player can play top-shelf footy almost anywhere now, so an interstate kid can get back home and still play afl footy and live in a good city easily enough.. ..extra work needs to be put in to make a kid feel extra welcome and at home when they didn't wanna be there in the first place..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

WH watching Yarran for 3 years and rating him the second best talent behind NN, was a knee-jerk reaction?? Finding another silky, sblimely skilled 30-40 goal kicker given our lack of offensive weapons in the forward line was knee-jerk?

I don't think Rich is the Superman extractor you make him out to be......watching a bit of him both at WAFL at AFL, he puts his head over it and gets it when he reads the tap, but the same number of of times he skirts the pack waiting for the ball to come to him. He isn't the Mitchell, Selwood, AB (with pace) at the bottom of every pack we could use. He is a solid frame for his size, but he doesn't throw it around a lot either. In old fashioned parlance i see him as a nuggety rover. He plays the same role as Murph for mine....but not as explosive or game-breaking, albeit with a more penetrating kick.



*condolences to Chris & family*

Condolences to Chris and his family.... but taking all emotions out of it, id trade him to West Coast and get Josh Kennedy back

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Matty Kruzer you star!

I find most of the negative content in this thread very disappointing. Shows a major lack of respect and understanding. Thread should be locked as it is going no where. Those who have nothing better to do than bag a young kid, go back to the other thread.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

..fair enough, i can see how Rich might look like a more solidly bit, touch-slower version of Murph.. ..it could also be that we've seen diff games etc etc, and have seen diff sides to how he plays.. ..either way, i think that even though our fwd woes are a big concern, i think Judd getting smashed around the center square and stoppages is of greater concern.. ..all last year he was getting crunched every game, while trying to get over a big injury.. ..this year juddles showed signs he was getting back to close to his best.. .we were starting to see glimpses of his acceleration, and shimmy side-steps.. ..but now he's struggling again, and thats cos he's getting crunched every game this year too.. ..if we don't get him some genuine a-grade support, he's gonna keep on being used the same way, and he's not going to last..

..and yes, with all the media hype about how one dimensional our fwd line/set-up was and how fev-centric we were/are, i think the club looked mostly at trying to fix that, when i think we have bigger concerns.. ..we gave up picks, a kpp and mega bucks to get Juddles to us, and i was all for it, and very much still am all for that move.. ..but if he keeps getting smashed every game, in the long run it won't work out for us, cos eventually he'll break down and then we've sunk mega bucks over 6 years for a superstar that we've ruined.. ..it's almost like the club figured we've got 3 no1's, and now with Juddles our mids are set.. ..then as an after-thought, we get bentley.. ..come on, Bentley..??..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

I'd say immature.

..not surprising though as this site is basically like the Carlton board on BF now.

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There's so much I could say...

Often disagree with Cazzesman... but i do have alot of respect for him as person...

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We just need to hold out nerve with Yazza... understand what makes him tick and then wind him up to play....
Im not sure why people are worried about Yarran .. yes i understand there are issues with him atm.. but he is a first year player that will need to be developed as a footballer and a role model.
We need to be capable as a club to evolve young men in every facet of life...

Right now... Chris is paying respects to a family member ... and we need to respect that.

Then we need to improve our techniques on how to get the most out of the players singularly and collectively in every sense ..

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Good. That's all I was saying.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

..i agree, it's my lack of confidence in our club doing just that, that causes me to be a little concerned.. ..our club's development track record is sketchy at best lately..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

I think we are all getting carried away.

From waht I have seen of Chris I would say that he is a very serious young man who doesn't muck around, is smart, and is very mature for his age. He seems like a guy that would do the right thing.

His circumstances are tough, and I don't think you would have to explain to him that this is his opportunity to make a good life for himself and his family which he loves dearly and is extremely proud of.

So I guess when you put 2 & 2 together the answer is pretty obvious.

The only problem might be that he knows that the club will give him every opportunity to make it so he's in no hurry........

Or quite possibly that's just how he plays (laconic) and has been getting away with it in the lower leagues.

Either way, however long it takes you just know it's going to be worth the wait.

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Circumstance has no value. It is how one relates to a situation that has value. All true meaning resides in the personal relationship to a phenomenon, what it means to you.