You give him a game because hes doing everything right while others aren't performing, Fisher has had one good quarter for a few weeks now. Setanta and Jarrad Waite are out injured. He has worked hard enough to deserve another chance.

But like I said...play him closer to goal. He was playing to far up the ground earlier in the year and when he made mistakes they would be more costly.

..he played plenty of deep fwd footy too earlier in the year for sweet FA result, unless it was a handball over the top from another player with him all alone in the goalsquare.. ..big pack marks weren't sticking.. ..i understand and appreciate the ideal of rewarding hard work, good form.. ..but the good form bit needs to be watered down, a big body like Cloke should be dominating deep fwd in the ressies.. ..but that doesn't mean it will transfer to good senior form, there's too much a gap i believe.. ..he may get a chance purely cos there's no-one else.. ..but i don't think it'll be of much help.. ..he's been given chances, at pies and now here, and he's sub-par.. ..not by much mind you..

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Good VFL player.. like Pods

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..Pods..??..

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Brilliant.

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James Podsiadly?

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I'd take Pods over Cloke any day.

Pods was stiff to be drafted young and play at AFL clubs who had Roccas and Tarrant at one, and Lucas, Lloyd, and Hird at the other.

Would have been a gun at Bulldogs or us.

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Thanks for the 2 or 3 rational assessments (you know who you are). For the rest, I can't believe how negative, spiteful and prejudiced some of the comments are. I've been barracking for the Blues for over thirty years and if this is an assessment of our fan base we need real help. Grow the **** up. Hating him becasue he wont run through the banner? How old are you? 12?

My own view of Cloke is that like most big men he'll take a few years to develop, Mark Mclure was a premiership player (ask yer Grandad), and he was dreadful for months at a a time. So were a lot of players, Setanta for one, yet we persevere with him. Cloke was never going to be a ruckman even though we brought him in as one, barring shoulder injuries hecould provide a good forward target. Blasting him because he was in ordinary form a few months back is ridiculous. That was then, now he looks to have improved, sometimes people do. God knows we've been patient with a lot of people who in the end went nowhere. We've had plenty of less than average players getting more opportunities.

We need forward targets. He looks like one. Play him. See what happens. He couldn't possibly be worse than Fisher, who gets game after game, and can't kick a goal (how many games for how many goals?) or even a decent pass.

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The Bullies had him in their VFL affiliate for a good long while, so they did think about it.

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If you are going to promote a no hoper like Bentley based on VFL form and attitude then you have to be consistent.
Cloke isnt the future...but if the coach and MC have any credibility then they have to give players like Cloke, Wiggins, Hadley etc the same consideration they gave Bentley.....

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I saw the Ants and would give Wiggins a game before Cloke.

Cloke was against an undersized defender. Didn't work hard to push up the ground, just asked for it to be bombed in to him. He won't get away with that at AFL level as we've seen.

Wiggins on the other hand worked extremely hard to be an option for players coming out of defence. I wish we had better options but at the moment we are dying for someone who will present up to the wings then dish it off to a player running past.

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shows he isn't a part of the team.. and plays the same way. He doesn't just hang at the back he WALKS around it

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I watched the bullants yesterday.

I don't think I would promote Cloke either. The types of marks he was taking on Saturday he most likely wouldn't mark in AFL. First of all he would not be the main target in our seniors whereas with Bullants he was. Secondly the spots he was marking in are very well covered by the spare man in AFL. His opponent was under sized. Not knocking him but I cannot see a spot for him going forward.

I don't rate Cloke, and I don't rate Fisher.
They are great try-ers, but not winners.

If Cloke comes in for Fisher, I will be ambivalent.

But Setanta needs to play this week - even if he is rotated a lot, we need him out there.
Forget Hartlett.

Cloke, Wiggins, Fisher, Edwards, Hartlett - all substandard, and need to be replaced by young high-ish draft picks who have been proven up forward.
Sadly its a slow process.

Until then don't be shocked and outraged if Cloke takes the field on Friday night.

It's a tough one with Cloke. On VFL form he deserves a chance and we do need another forward target. On the other hand, his weaknesses are well-documented and therefore are likely, at least to some extent, to be exploited. A case can probably be made either way.

I would probably lean towards giving Cloke another chance in the event that O'hAilpin doesn't get up.

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Aristeas

You seem to have a good memory or selective memory. Doesn't matter, you have memory.

Last year in many of our losses, the opposition started their attacks from the backline (that's modern footy...ref: see Saints in 2009). We had Cloke and Fisher as our tall targets and Fev as the main target at FF. The tactic of the opposition was to play through Cloke and Fisher. Why?

Well....if they could be spoilled and the ball hit the deck (most of the time), then the oposition knew thay were a liability because they could not chase. They cost us a bomb.

Forward to preseason 2009.

Cloke shed many kilos to help him with his pace deficiency and was given first shot at CHF. He played at CHF for the first 6 rounds...and what did he do to impress you so much?

Did his pace improve? Did his marking improve? What?

He failed and it wasn't till Waite was injured when Setanta (who deserved a game after being in the best week in week out in the VFL) was given the CHF duties. Not Cloke, because he had already failed. Cloke was never going to improve his pace. Setanta has pace to burn and takes contested marks. Setanta applies forwardline pressure.

Now you want him back. Why?

Because he's got a big heart?
Because he's a trier?
Because he kicked 5 goals against the short full back of the bottom team in the VFL when he was the target?

Why?

There's no point in comparing Cloke with Houla or Bentley or Garlett or Setanta. They are all different to Cloke. The first 3 are small medium players and play a different role to Cloke and the fourth has pace and defensive attributes very important in the modern game.

Why Cloke? He's gawn....the football world knows that and why. The Cloke fans and family can cry as much as they like, Cam will not get any faster and is too slow for the AFL.

Mate, it's round 18 next weekend, and we all knew Cloke was gawn after round 6. I think you missed something.

Is that a fair and mature explanation?

Please don't bring back my nightmares.

He's gawn, and Fish is next; watch this space.

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Thanks, biondiblue, from Canberra all I know about the Bullants games is what I can find on the net, and the review of the ants game here on TC has lots of positives about Cloke's game. 5 goals followed by 6 goals looks like good form on paper (or in pixels). I hope you're wrong and he gets a run and makes good use of it.

But a reasoned explanation is always valued.

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